Re: Duncan Construction Quality VS Boutique Questions and Clarity needed:
Thanks so much for the added clarity Evan! I had a feeling there might be something along these lines but had no idea that you guys were making your own bobbins, covers, plates, spacers etc. This is exactly the kind of information i was looking for that can't be found on any other thread or product information page on the internet.
Thanks again Evan! How do I send you money for a beer? Cheers!
Here's the thing, PAF's come in all sorts of different winds, output levels, magnets and the like. A "PAF" (patent applied for) is a style of pickup, most often referred to those early humbuckers from the 50's and 60's. Thing is, the consistency was all over the place. One day may result in some of the sweetest sounding PAF's ever wound and the next may be all turds, done by the same people using the same materials. Maybe the weather was crazy that day. Quality control wasn't as tight as it is today. Wind it til the bobbin is fill then wire it up. (you probably know all of this already)
Today, number of turns, type of wire, magnet strength, bobbin material, base plate material, all of that is thought about. Is one winder right and everyone else wrong? Of course not. Each one has their own "flavor" of PAF based on examples they have or have heard. Seymour makes some of the best out there. Do I like them all? Honestly, no. There's other I'd prefer, and that's cool. But I will say, the construction quality of SD pickups, PAF or not, is top notch. If there's a problem, you'll be taken care of.
SD doesn't cut corners. You are getting a top quality product by any definition. Whether that pickup is better or worse than a competing product depends on the guitar and your specific taste in tone.
Here's my take on it: when it comes to choice of materials, build quality, and the experience of the craftsmen who are actually doing the work, the regular Seymour Duncan product is second to none. Period. You can compare SD Production Floor pickups to [fill in the blank with the cork-sniffiest boutique pickup builder] and SDs will be at least as good and in most cases better. Did I just say "better?" I did. And here's why.
When it comes to the materials that go into most boutique pickups, they are rarely tooled by the builder or their local machine shop. I'm talking about bobbins, covers, bottom plates, metal spacers, etc. So where do they get them from? The big parts houses. Where do the big parts houses get them from? The same folks who supply the big Asian pickup builders.
Now just because the components come from Asia, doesn't mean they're bad. Hell, I'd put Duncan Designed pickups up against a lot of USA-made (non-SD) pickups and they'll come out on top. But I guarantee that whatever draftsman drew the spec drawings for those mass-produced bobbins and covers and whatnot did not have the guitar-specific experience of Seymour and Kevin Beller. And you can see it. Check out an old PAF and compare it to the boutique versions. Often times you'll see little differences in things like a corner radius, or a tooling mark, or a surface finish, or a substrate, or a plating material, or a material choice, or a dimension. And often times you'll see those same components used on several different boutique brands--because they're buying their components from the same parts supply companies.
Seymour Duncan tools their own bobbins, covers, bottom plates, spacers, etc. etc. In most cases, for their vintage pickups, they'll use the exact same materials as the originals. Or sometimes they'll make compromises for modern production, like using polycarbonate bobbins on the '59 so it can be wax potted. But if you want butyrate bobbins, there are three PAF models that offer that.
And a note about plain enamel wire. There is magnet wire that's passed off as plain enamel by some of the big wire manufacturers. And it's not. It's easy to tell if it's real plain enamel. If a hot soldering iron melts off the insulation, it's not plain enamel, even if it has the characteristic chocolately brown color. If you need to scrape off the insulation so you can solder to the wire, then it's likely the real deal. If you ever see any photos or videos of the Leesona in action (whether they're shot by SD staffers or factory visitors), notice that the winder always scrapes off the insulation.
Now before you go off on me for dissing [fill in the blank with the boutique pickup builder who you just shelled out major coin to], keep in mind that I'm not calling out any specific companies or pickup builders here. There are a lot of fine vintage pickups built by winders who have the same appreciation for vintage that Kevin and Seymour have. Well, maybe not a lot. But there are some. I'm pretty sure.
The reason for this diatribe is really to draw attention to the components that go into pickups. Remember, each part of the pickup is part of the tone chain. And some guitar players are paying their hard earned money to pickup builders who are purchasing their components from the big parts houses. That's all.
Thanks so much for the added clarity Evan! I had a feeling there might be something along these lines but had no idea that you guys were making your own bobbins, covers, plates, spacers etc. This is exactly the kind of information i was looking for that can't be found on any other thread or product information page on the internet.
Thanks again Evan! How do I send you money for a beer? Cheers!