Duncan Distortion to replace a BL L500xl?

ledvedder

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I'm looking for recommendations for the bridge of my Washburn N24. It's an agathis body, rosewood neck, Floyd Rose. I already replaced the Washburn neck pickup with a Jazz. The BL bridge pickup seems very sterile to me. No creaminess to it whatsoever. I've read the bright, high output pickups work well in an agathis body. Would the DD be any different than the Bill Lawrence? What do you guys recommend?

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Re: Duncan Distortion to replace a BL L500xl?

'Creamy', to me, would be the Custom Custom. If you don't want as much compression, the Slash bridge is a great choice, too.
 
Re: Duncan Distortion to replace a BL L500xl?

Well, I do want it to have that bite too. How does the Distortion differ from the L500xl?

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The distortion is ceramic magnet for one thing. You can usually expect a crisper more defined tone with ceramics.
The L500xl uses an alnico5 mag, but I think he tried to capture the best of both worlds as much as possible with it's design for tight bass and crisp highs.

Maybe the Full Shred would strike a good balance of what you are wanting.
 
Re: Duncan Distortion to replace a BL L500xl?

I agree about the magnets for sure Dave74, and also I wouldn't exactly call the Distortion a replacement as much as Id call it "in the style of" which I'm sure that's what you meant ledvedder...In my experience the Full Shred gets you closer with a slight loss in the low end but not enough to make you regret it if you've tried both... The dimebucker is obviously in the style of category as well as the JB and likely even the Black Winter and some would even say an Alt8 which I prob wouldn't disagree with but the best part is that while these all DH for each other, they all have their own voice and uniqueness which makes them all equally badass in their own right.
 
Re: Duncan Distortion to replace a BL L500xl?

I have the USA BL, which has a ceramic mag.

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Re: Duncan Distortion to replace a BL L500xl?

I've used both pickups, albeit in different guitars.

BL X500XL was in a 90s Washburn N2, alder body, maple neck, rosewood board. The Distortion is an old one from the 80s, I don't know if/how much it's different to the modern ones. It's in a Cort KX1Q, mahogany body, mahogany set neck, string through tuneomatic, 25.5" scale.

My 80s Distortion has ways more low end and and low mids (make up your own mind the impact of tonewood & construction) than the 90s x500xl. Not such pronounced highs, not so much bite, much fatter. I'd say in comparison with the BL I would call it "creamy", though maybe that wouldn't be the word I'd use if I was comparing the Distortion to something else.

I like both, the Distortion is great. I wouldn't say it lacks bite or highs, either, it's just less ott in that department than the BL.

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Re: Duncan Distortion to replace a BL L500xl?

I'm looking for recommendations for the bridge of my Washburn N24. It's an agathis body, rosewood neck, Floyd Rose. I already replaced the Washburn neck pickup with a Jazz. The BL bridge pickup seems very sterile to me. No creaminess to it whatsoever. I've read the bright, high output pickups work well in an agathis body. Would the DD be any different than the Bill Lawrence? What do you guys recommend?

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What amp are you using and I`ll just take a guess you're playing hard rock or metal ?
 
Re: Duncan Distortion to replace a BL L500xl?

What amp are you using and I`ll just take a guess you're playing hard rock or metal ?
Yes, hard rock and some classic rock. I play through a few different amps. Marshall DSL, Ceriatone Chupacabra, Marshall 2525h.

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Re: Duncan Distortion to replace a BL L500xl?

I just replaced an L500xl with a Dimarzio Super Distortion for the same reason, I wanted more lows and low mids. The Dimarzio is a lot less bright, though. I think the Duncan Distortion might give you just what you want.
 
Re: Duncan Distortion to replace a BL L500xl?

It would help if those describing their experience with the L500XL would say whether their experiences are with real Bill Lawrence or with the Bill Lawrence USA. The BL USA is much brighter than the original or the current Bill & Becky (Wilde Pickups).

I can't speak to the BL USA L500XL but all of the current versions (since 2005) of the Bill & Becky L500 indeed use Alnico V magnets. Here is come archived information about the real Bill Lawrence L500 pickups.

L500
L-500's (hard core, hi Q, blades, 15mm magnetic window). From February 2005: due to the unavailability of the ceramic magnets, a new circuit was designed using alnico V magnets, delivering the same sound.

The L-500 is a blade-style humbucker that can be retrofitted in both full-size humbucker and P-90/P-100 routs (see Dimensions post below)! The blades are 56mm/2.205" long, and will accommodate the string spacing of all known 6-string bridges (remember that the bridge pickup is not mounted at the saddles!).

L-500's are designed to deliver as much output passively whilst maintaining clarity and without sterility. If even higher output is required, EMG active pickups are recommended.

To deliver great tonal flexibility, the lead/bridge versions (L & XL) especially are recommended to be used in conjunction with the Q-Filter.

The L-500 comes in four versions:
C = 2.8 Henry
R = 4.8 Henry
L = 6.8 Henry
XL = 9.2 Henry

The XL requires at least 500K pots, whereas the other 500s can be used with 250K or 500K pots (all audio taper).

All 500's are extremely loud and therefore don't really mix well with other pickups. The XL without the load of the controls is ear-piercingly bright, but with a 500 kilo ohm pot loses about 50 percent of the higher end. With the EQ Filter [(Q-Filter)], you can gradually [effectively] reduce the inductance of the XL and get a tremendous variety of sounds.

The L with 250K pots is tonally voiced very similarly to the XL with 500K pots, but theres not quite as much punch. And if you employ a Q-Filter, theres not as much bandwidth to operate on, which means that the tonal variation that can be achieved is not as extensive as for the XL.



If you prefer the look of pole-pieces to blades:
For those wanting the more traditional pole-piece look, as opposed to the twin blades of the L-500's, the higher inductance L-600's deliver similar tone to their L-500 siblings.
 
Re: Duncan Distortion to replace a BL L500xl?

It would help if those describing their experience with the L500XL would say whether their experiences are with real Bill Lawrence or with the Bill Lawrence USA. The BL USA is much brighter than the original or the current Bill & Becky (Wilde Pickups).

I can't speak to the BL USA L500XL but all of the current versions (since 2005) of the Bill & Becky L500 indeed use Alnico V magnets. Here is come archived information about the real Bill Lawrence L500 pickups.

L500
L-500's (hard core, hi Q, blades, 15mm magnetic window). From February 2005: due to the unavailability of the ceramic magnets, a new circuit was designed using alnico V magnets, delivering the same sound.

The L-500 is a blade-style humbucker that can be retrofitted in both full-size humbucker and P-90/P-100 routs (see Dimensions post below)! The blades are 56mm/2.205" long, and will accommodate the string spacing of all known 6-string bridges (remember that the bridge pickup is not mounted at the saddles!).

L-500's are designed to deliver as much output passively whilst maintaining clarity and without sterility. If even higher output is required, EMG active pickups are recommended.

To deliver great tonal flexibility, the lead/bridge versions (L & XL) especially are recommended to be used in conjunction with the Q-Filter.

The L-500 comes in four versions:
C = 2.8 Henry
R = 4.8 Henry
L = 6.8 Henry
XL = 9.2 Henry

The XL requires at least 500K pots, whereas the other 500s can be used with 250K or 500K pots (all audio taper).

All 500's are extremely loud and therefore don't really mix well with other pickups. The XL without the load of the controls is ear-piercingly bright, but with a 500 kilo ohm pot loses about 50 percent of the higher end. With the EQ Filter [(Q-Filter)], you can gradually [effectively] reduce the inductance of the XL and get a tremendous variety of sounds.

The L with 250K pots is tonally voiced very similarly to the XL with 500K pots, but theres not quite as much punch. And if you employ a Q-Filter, theres not as much bandwidth to operate on, which means that the tonal variation that can be achieved is not as extensive as for the XL.



If you prefer the look of pole-pieces to blades:
For those wanting the more traditional pole-piece look, as opposed to the twin blades of the L-500's, the higher inductance L-600's deliver similar tone to their L-500 siblings.
I've used both the BL USA L500XL and a Wilde L500L in the same guitar, although above I was talking about the USA model rather than the Bill and Becky.

The USA L500XL and Wilde L500L were worlds apart, really. I was going to comment this above but I didn't know if it'd just confuse things!

The L500L was much closer to the Distortion in tonality. In the N2 it was much less bright, more lows and more rounded sounding. The difference between the two was much bigger than I was expecting! That was with a single 500k volume. It was very different to the USA, more woody and organic sounding, too. Didn't sound as much like 'Nuno' to me; if I still had the guitar I'd consider a straight XL for XL swap to get a better idea of the difference between USA and Wilde.

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Re: Duncan Distortion to replace a BL L500xl?

Yes, hard rock and some classic rock. I play through a few different amps. Marshall DSL, Ceriatone Chupacabra, Marshall 2525h.

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I’ve had the Wilde XL500 and DD in an ash Strat w/rosewood neck . For me the DD was a bit to hot and edgy , a great pickup if I was just playing metal . The XL500 was maybe a bit too open with little compression . YMMV but I’d with either a JB or AT-1
 
Re: Duncan Distortion to replace a BL L500xl?

I've used both the BL USA L500XL and a Wilde L500L in the same guitar, although above I was talking about the USA model rather than the Bill and Becky.

The USA L500XL and Wilde L500L were worlds apart, really. I was going to comment this above but I didn't know if it'd just confuse things!

The L500L was much closer to the Distortion in tonality. In the N2 it was much less bright, more lows and more rounded sounding. The difference between the two was much bigger than I was expecting! That was with a single 500k volume. It was very different to the USA, more woody and organic sounding, too. Didn't sound as much like 'Nuno' to me; if I still had the guitar I'd consider a straight XL for XL swap to get a better idea of the difference between USA and Wilde.

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So, do you think the Wilde L500XL is much different than the BLUSA L500XL?

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Re: Duncan Distortion to replace a BL L500xl?

I’ve had the Wilde XL500 and DD in an ash Strat w/rosewood neck . For me the DD was a bit to hot and edgy , a great pickup if I was just playing metal . The XL500 was maybe a bit too open with little compression . YMMV but I’d with either a JB or AT-1
But I think ash and agathis are worlds apart tonally. I realize agathis isn't the greatest tonewood, which I believe is why folks say it sounds best with higher output pickups.

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Re: Duncan Distortion to replace a BL L500xl?

I've used the originals (pre-XL), Bill's after the (1984??) split with the other guy, current Wilde L500XL, and Bill Lawrence USA and they are all different. The early originals had ceramic magnets and sounded different than today's A5 version, even though he redesigned the circuit to have the same sound.

Generally speaking, the Bill Lawrence USA is the brightest and the originals got a little warmer and creamier through the years. All of them sound great, depending on the guitar and application.
 
Re: Duncan Distortion to replace a BL L500xl?

I ordered an SD Distortion to try.

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