Duncan Sentient vs Dimarzio Liqifire

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Have had the sentient in the neck of my 93 KOA Carvin DC 127 for a few months now and picked up a Carvin DC 600 last week with a Liqufier in the neck and used it this morning for the 1st time live.
Here is my head to head assessment of the 2 pickups.
Both are Alnico 5 pickups and both are being marketed as pickups with a big tone that are quite versatile.
Now the similarities, both are really articulate and fluid running gain both have really nice articulate singing solo voices and both do some nice smooth cleans.
The Liquifier is noticeably hotter it's more compressed and also is a good bit darker it seems to split a little better and give a more convincing single coil tone.
The Sentient is definitely the cleaner clearer brighter and less compressed of the 2. Has a super nice bell like quality on really clean stuff that is lacking with the Liquifier but has a lot less body and meat also plus is on the weak and thin side in comparison tapped. Really sings in high gain mode with a very clear sweet singing tone.
The Liquifier is much more compressed and dark at higher gain than the Sentient is and has less sharpness and definition to the tone but is still a REALLY sweet pickup in particular for blues or a solid woman tone in rock.
Both are very cool pickups both will stay where they are but in the end if I could only have one it would be the Sentient simply due to the bell like tones and overall clarity.
Right now I have the sentient paired with an ALT 8 in my 127 hardtail and it REALLY plays well with that combo with fantastic tone when combined with the Alt. the Liquifier is paired with a Crunch Lab right now but it's very harsh and shrill to my ear and is coming out next week. I have a Gravity Storm incoming. It will be really interesting to see how those 2 play together as on paper they look like a perfect match with both being big round A-5 pickups on the darker side and the outputs seem to be a spot on match for a balanced tone. Will hit this again when I get the Gravity Storm in with a final assessment on that set up.
 
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If you like the Liquifire then you should try it's successor - the Illuminator. I like it especially in a direct mount guitar like my Charvel San Dimas. Glad you described the tones from both the Sentient and Liquifire as I am keen on buying a Sentient eventually. Probably with the Pegasus.
The Crunch Lab is not known for being a lead/solo type of pickup so much as its well known for its ability to crunch your distortion well.
 
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I'm surprised you find the Crunch Lab harsh. Do you have the blade set towards the neck? My experience was the exact opposite.

Some time ago, I bough an Ibanez that came with the Crunch Lab in the bridge, but I couldn't get rid of it fast enough. I'm exaggerating, it wasn't that bad, but I did think it was blunt, stuffy, and way too low-middy.
 
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I'm surprised you find the Crunch Lab harsh. Do you have the blade set towards the neck? My experience was the exact opposite.
Some time ago, I bough an Ibanez that came with the Crunch Lab in the bridge, but I couldn't get rid of it fast enough. I'm exaggerating, it wasn't that bad, but I did think it was blunt, stuffy, and way too low-middy.
In particular it's harsh when I roll back the volume some and overall is very thin and sterile sounding. i'm not normal a fan of ceramic mag pickups in the 1st place but that one in particular hit my ear wrong.
 
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Ok here are a couple live clips with each pickup in some what similar settings on the same rig. Keep in mind I am a primarily worship player now days so 95% of what I will do playing out is in that setting.
Jet City JCA 22H Custom head running a little verb and delay in the loop and using a BOSS CS-3 or Keeler Push on the front end with both guitars.
This is running the Sentient in the KOA 127 full humbucking mode and i am running the Alt with it at times.
 
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Here is the DC 600 running the Liquifire mostly tapped here but also a little in full Bucker and with the Crunch Lab off the 5 way.
The Liquifire Splits MUCH better and really has a nice clean tone Split it is pretty dark and compressed in full humbucker mode still a nice tone but much different from the Sentient.
The Sentient is much less compressed and more open in full bucker mode has a decent split tone but no where as convincing a single coil tone as the Liquifire. Both have very nice high gain solo voices the Sentient clearer and more articulate the Liquifire more aggressive compressed and smooth and thicker.
 
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How is it you ended up exclusively running all this younger kid metal-oriented gear in what appears to be some manner of pentecostal church music setting, and at your age?

Aren't PAFs or P90s into a silverface something-reverb the norm in this setting?

:saeek: Duuuude, Satan wants His Chosen's gear back~!!! :firedevil
 
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How is it you ended up exclusively running all this younger kid metal-oriented gear in what appears to be some manner of pentecostal church music setting, and at your age?

Aren't PAFs or P90s into a silverface something-reverb the norm in this setting?

:saeek: Duuuude, Satan wants His Chosen's gear back~!!! :firedevil
White metal hair band player back in the 1980's-1990's always have run high gain tube amps pointy guitars super Strats and such in Church bands.
This was a couple months back and is the same 1993 Carvin DC 127 running the Alt 8 and Sentient through a 1990 Mesa Subway Rocket in a worship setting. PS NO EFFECTS other than a Wah are used here Amp Guitar and a Mic!!
For about 6 years ran this 1988 Hot Rod Mod Carvin X100B halfstack and V or X220 Carvin guitars or ultra V's as my onstage rig in front of 4000 or so ever Sunday.

Tones from that rig
https://www.soundclick.com/html5/v4/player.cfm?songID=4453782
 
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White metal? as in... Zig heil/go KKK?

Or "no sir, pastor, I was most certainly NOT a devil worshipper in the mid-80s"?


Hmmm weekly audience of 4000 ppl you say? They pay you for this?
 
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White metal? as in... Zig heil/go KKK?

Or "no sir, pastor, I was most certainly NOT a devil worshipper in the mid-80s"?


Hmmm weekly audience of 4000 ppl you say? They pay you for this?
That particular gig no but have been payed weil in a few Church bands.
And white metal as in here from my old band 1994. Here I'm playing a 1990 Carvin DC 200 and a Marshall JMP-1 / 9200 rig.
https://www.soundclick.com/html5/v4/player.cfm?songID=2684714
Live clip recorded on a cassette tape small club Gadsden Alabama 1993 Power trio stand up singer running the Dc 200 and a 50 watt JCM 900 Dual Reverb here.
https://www.soundclick.com/html5/v4/player.cfm?songID=5539540
 
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White metal? as in... Zig heil/go KKK?
Not quite fyi for a number of years this was my home Church!! PS our bass player here was Ron Barbee who formerly toured with White Witch. Ours were the 2 token WHITE families who were member's of this church and never asked to be paid a cent:cool:! Cant stand racist of ANY color!! Playing a PRS Custom 24 and a 1991 Mesa .50 cal + head on a Fender 2/12 cab here unmiced BTW.
 
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Wife just let me know the Gravity Storm showed up today so will hopefully get it in tonight and then use it live on Sunday.
 
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Definitely makes me want to try a Sentient.

I'm surprised you find the Crunch Lab harsh. Do you have the blade set towards the neck? My experience was the exact opposite.

Some time ago, I bough an Ibanez that came with the Crunch Lab in the bridge, but I couldn't get rid of it fast enough. I'm exaggerating, it wasn't that bad, but I did think it was blunt, stuffy, and way too low-middy.

While not directed at me, I found the Crunch Lab unusable for anything clean. It was just over the top for any of my usage.
 
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Definitely makes me want to try a Sentient.
While not directed at me, I found the Crunch Lab unusable for anything clean. It was just over the top for any of my usage.

Same here just to dirty and would not get sweet. Just got the Gravity Storm in and and still tweaking it out but can already say its MUCH closet to what I needed than the Crunch Lab was. Bigger smoother and rounder for certain and IMO fitts tonally a LOT better with the A5 Liquifire in the neck than the Chruch lab does. It's like they paired the pickups wrong on both sets with a Big A5 in the bridge with a Ceramic in the bridge on the Petuci Crunch lab Liquifire set and a thick fat A5 in the bridge with a more aggressive ceramic in the neck on the Vai Gravity Storm set miss matches both ways neck to bridge IMO.
Think this combo though may work out well so let me play with this combo for a day or so and get her out live on Sunday and I will get back to you guys!!
 
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That's a good clip from 93. It actually sort-of has a Venom vibe musically lol. Opposite of black metal is white metal!

Based on these descriptions I'd go Sentient for what I usually like from a neck for cleans, and under frothy saturation for that matter.
 
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That's a good clip from 93. It actually sort-of has a Venom vibe musically lol. Opposite of black metal is white metal!

Based on these descriptions I'd go Sentient for what I usually like from a neck for cleans, and under frothy saturation for that matter.

Thanks and you get it Metal with a positive message!
Some REALLY good White metal bands out there right now like these Nordic guys doing Power Metal that never get any recognition>
On the 2 pickups both are REALLY nice. The Sentient more open and vintage vibe with less compression but still super articulate at gain. The Liquifire darker and more compressed but still with great clarity and more modern sounding. Apples to oranges and a good pair of pickups to have in a couple similar guitars.
 
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Got a chance to pull the DC 600 with the Liquifire and Gravity Storm and the DC 127 with the Sentient and Alt 8 both out last night and run them head to head.
The Sentient is defintaly the more traditional sounding pickup by far. The Liquifire is more scooped almost a cocked wah type tone at gain it is more compressed and has a pretty distinctive voice. Cool pickup but different and in many ways is kind of P90 like to my ear.
The Sentient is more traditional sounding more even response sounds big smooth and sweet really nice super versatile neck humbucker that sounds really good at gain.
Biggest surprise was how similar the Alt 8 and the Gravity Storm are tone wise. The Alt is more organic and open sounding with more fat the GS more compressed and brighter both are really nice big sweet sounding pickups and will stay where they are. The Alt Sentient set is more traditional sounding and has a mean Hot PAF vibe with a wider range of tones and great versitility. The GS Liquifire set is more modern sounding has more tonal contrast between the pickups works well with effects and has some really cool tones.
Having these set up like this is a really cool thing as they are similar enough to make a good pair to have on stage together but different enough to give me some nice tonal options in a live situation.
 
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Re: Duncan Sentient vs Dimarzio Liqifire

Got a chance to pull the DC 600 with the Liquifire and Gravity Storm and the DC 127 with the Sentient and Alt 8 both out last night and run them head to head.
The Sentient is defintaly the more traditional sounding pickup by far. The Liquifire is more scooped almost a cocked wah type tone at gain it is more compressed and has a pretty distinctive voice. Cool pickup but different and in many ways is kind of P90 like to my ear.
The Sentient is more traditional sounding more even response sounds big smooth and sweet really nice super versatile neck humbucker that sounds really good at gain.
Biggest surprise was how similar the Alt 8 and the Gravity Storm are tone wise. The Alt is more organic and open sounding with more fat the GS more compressed and brighter both are really nice big sweet sounding pickups and will stay where they are. The Alt Sentient set is more traditional sounding and has a mean Hot PAF vibe with a wider range of tones and great versitility. The GS Liquifire set is more modern sounding has more tonal contrast between the pickups works well with effects and has some really cool tones.
Having these set up like this is a really cool thing as they are similar enough to make a good pair to have on stage together but different enough to give me some nice tonal options in a live situation.

Thank you for sharing! Sounds like you have some really cool tonal options there. Definitely giving me some ideas for some projects.

If you get the chance, some clips would be cool!
 
Re: Duncan Sentient vs Dimarzio Liqifire

Thank you for sharing! Sounds like you have some really cool tonal options there. Definitely giving me some ideas for some projects.

If you get the chance, some clips would be cool!

Last sunday at Church with the DC600 running the Liquifire/ Gravity storm set
 
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