earvana
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Heel Whacker
Re: earvana
i dropped my guitars off for some work today and got to talkin to the guy - he is an authorized feitenizer and has done earvanas too ...
he was saying that 4 out of 10 guitars that he feitenizes or earvanas come back to get undone cus guys dont really dig it as much as they thought they would once they get it back in their hands for every day use ... especially if they play live alot and / or play in a 2 guitar band ... in fact, he said that when he did his personal guitar, he ended up having to do the bassist's bass and other guitarist's guitar in his band so they wouldnt clash ... he says he digs it alot for studio work and other times he is with a keyboard player ... but other than that, he talked me out of it ...
i dropped my guitars off for some work today and got to talkin to the guy - he is an authorized feitenizer and has done earvanas too ...
he was saying that 4 out of 10 guitars that he feitenizes or earvanas come back to get undone cus guys dont really dig it as much as they thought they would once they get it back in their hands for every day use ... especially if they play live alot and / or play in a 2 guitar band ... in fact, he said that when he did his personal guitar, he ended up having to do the bassist's bass and other guitarist's guitar in his band so they wouldnt clash ... he says he digs it alot for studio work and other times he is with a keyboard player ... but other than that, he talked me out of it ...
LtKojak
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Re: earvana
I have my 1967 Emperador 335 copy set with the Earvana nut. Once that it's in place, it works just as advertised. My guitar can play perfectly in tune with any keyboard chord in any octave or inversion.
All the other said things in the thread are just rubbish. The only way of having "clashing notes" in a band situation is to have not less than three instruments playing the same exact note, which is due to poor musicianship and having the instruments not tuned well to start with and also not intonated at all, resulting in more than five cents to each side of the note.
The difference the Earvana makes in pitch correction in certain notes goes up to max three cents of the note; so in the rare case that a non-earvana instrument plays that particular note together with a earvana one, the effect is interpreted by the ear as a light chorus effect... the same effect that a well-tuned grand piano has...
My interpretation of what it's been said is that people got used so much to play out of tune that when they hear "in tune" for the first time they get bothered by not being able to understand what's going on...
So, is it worth getting and Earvana nut? If you can hear the difference, it's worth every penny.
The next guitar I'm putting the Earvana nut in is my classic guitar; which is the one instrument I've been putting on intonation-wise all my life. (I play guitar since age seven, I've graduated from the conservatory as a classical guitarist at age twelve, and I'm turning fifty next year)
HTH,
Pepe aka Lt. Kojak
Milano, Italy
I have my 1967 Emperador 335 copy set with the Earvana nut. Once that it's in place, it works just as advertised. My guitar can play perfectly in tune with any keyboard chord in any octave or inversion.
All the other said things in the thread are just rubbish. The only way of having "clashing notes" in a band situation is to have not less than three instruments playing the same exact note, which is due to poor musicianship and having the instruments not tuned well to start with and also not intonated at all, resulting in more than five cents to each side of the note.
The difference the Earvana makes in pitch correction in certain notes goes up to max three cents of the note; so in the rare case that a non-earvana instrument plays that particular note together with a earvana one, the effect is interpreted by the ear as a light chorus effect... the same effect that a well-tuned grand piano has...
My interpretation of what it's been said is that people got used so much to play out of tune that when they hear "in tune" for the first time they get bothered by not being able to understand what's going on...
So, is it worth getting and Earvana nut? If you can hear the difference, it's worth every penny.
The next guitar I'm putting the Earvana nut in is my classic guitar; which is the one instrument I've been putting on intonation-wise all my life. (I play guitar since age seven, I've graduated from the conservatory as a classical guitarist at age twelve, and I'm turning fifty next year)
HTH,
Pepe aka Lt. Kojak
Milano, Italy
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cmwsound
New member
Re: earvana
my only argument about the clashing of notes is that if you have three instruments that are all tuned on the same tuner, but one has an earvana nut, that the instruments without the earvana nut are a couple cents sharper according to the earvana chart. that right there would make a huge difference and a persons ears pick up differences like that very easily. i dunno it makes sense to me in that regard, but ive never been in that situation in person so i dont know for sure. just guessing. im still not set on them without more input.
my only argument about the clashing of notes is that if you have three instruments that are all tuned on the same tuner, but one has an earvana nut, that the instruments without the earvana nut are a couple cents sharper according to the earvana chart. that right there would make a huge difference and a persons ears pick up differences like that very easily. i dunno it makes sense to me in that regard, but ive never been in that situation in person so i dont know for sure. just guessing. im still not set on them without more input.
LtKojak
New member
Re: earvana
Re-read what I've just written about the "clashing notes".
In a guitar, the best offenders are G# third string first fret and C, second string first fret. In a band situation, the only possibility is to have the two guitars playing the same chord in the same position, one earvanised and the other not. In that case, the effect of those two-three cents is a slight chorus effect, think twelve string guitar sound.
But having two equal instruments playing exactly the same chords in the same position is called "poor musicianship". When you start playing together in school, the very first thing they'll teach you in case of two equal instruments in the band to play different parts and/or different positions!
The real clash comes with a third instrument plays the same notes at the same time... which normaly doesn't happen at all. If it's a keyboard, they play other inversion of the chords, so they don't clash... and if it's a bass guitar, well... why is he/she playing those notes that are out of the instrument's normal range of playing? It just won't happen.
I don't sell earvanas myself, so I have no interest in selling one to you. I'm just reacting about those things said that are absolutely BS.
Your Honor, I rest my case!
HTH,
Pepe aka Lt. Kojak
Milano, Italy
PS: Just be sure that the person that's installing it fully reads and understands the installing instructions. In my case, being my luthier an earvana's virgin at installing it, it took three trips to the atelier to get it set up correctly. After that, the guitar feels a little bit funny at first playing chords in the first position, it took me about three days to get used to the new feeling. After that, I'm just need to save some money to get all seven guitars earvanised... I actually have two, my '67 MIJ Emperador 335 copy and a new Squier Strat std. Next in the list is my 1972 Cordova classic.
Re-read what I've just written about the "clashing notes".
In a guitar, the best offenders are G# third string first fret and C, second string first fret. In a band situation, the only possibility is to have the two guitars playing the same chord in the same position, one earvanised and the other not. In that case, the effect of those two-three cents is a slight chorus effect, think twelve string guitar sound.
But having two equal instruments playing exactly the same chords in the same position is called "poor musicianship". When you start playing together in school, the very first thing they'll teach you in case of two equal instruments in the band to play different parts and/or different positions!
The real clash comes with a third instrument plays the same notes at the same time... which normaly doesn't happen at all. If it's a keyboard, they play other inversion of the chords, so they don't clash... and if it's a bass guitar, well... why is he/she playing those notes that are out of the instrument's normal range of playing? It just won't happen.
I don't sell earvanas myself, so I have no interest in selling one to you. I'm just reacting about those things said that are absolutely BS.
Your Honor, I rest my case!
HTH,
Pepe aka Lt. Kojak
Milano, Italy
PS: Just be sure that the person that's installing it fully reads and understands the installing instructions. In my case, being my luthier an earvana's virgin at installing it, it took three trips to the atelier to get it set up correctly. After that, the guitar feels a little bit funny at first playing chords in the first position, it took me about three days to get used to the new feeling. After that, I'm just need to save some money to get all seven guitars earvanised... I actually have two, my '67 MIJ Emperador 335 copy and a new Squier Strat std. Next in the list is my 1972 Cordova classic.
danglybanger
ReelItInologist
Re: earvana
what kojak said is about what I THOUGHT, but I have no experience with earvana nor can my ear tell what needs to be "compensated" for :laugh2:
what kojak said is about what I THOUGHT, but I have no experience with earvana nor can my ear tell what needs to be "compensated" for :laugh2:
Holy Diver
New member
Re: earvana
I've had a couple guitars with Buzz installed from the factory. It does sound more in tune, but the reason a guitar sounds like it does is from being kind of out of tune. The Beatles, The Stones, The Who, Floyd, and every other band and guitar player we have ever heard has played a "normal" tuned guitar. I'm not messing with that.
I've had a couple guitars with Buzz installed from the factory. It does sound more in tune, but the reason a guitar sounds like it does is from being kind of out of tune. The Beatles, The Stones, The Who, Floyd, and every other band and guitar player we have ever heard has played a "normal" tuned guitar. I'm not messing with that.
cmwsound
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KeeperOS
Active member
Re: earvana
So basically there you have it.
Play two similar guitars one earvana-ed/feitenized and one not and see if you can tell a difference and whether it's sth that you'd want.
Personally I've only played a kinda-badly-setup Washburn X40PRO that was supposed to be feitenized and couldn't tell a difference whatsoever...
So basically there you have it.
Play two similar guitars one earvana-ed/feitenized and one not and see if you can tell a difference and whether it's sth that you'd want.
Personally I've only played a kinda-badly-setup Washburn X40PRO that was supposed to be feitenized and couldn't tell a difference whatsoever...
