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LooseCannon
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What's the difference between delay and echo? Is echo just a delay with reverb or something?
Rushfan2112
New member
Re: Echo??
There is no difference, though the term echo is usually given to analog-styled delay circuits. It's like the difference between overdrive and distortion: it's all still clipping.
There is no difference, though the term echo is usually given to analog-styled delay circuits. It's like the difference between overdrive and distortion: it's all still clipping.
Stratman
Guitaris Maximus
Re: Echo??
Reverb is a cheap simulation (e.g., Verbzilla) on real reverbration that occurs in nature.
The Line6 Verbzilla is a reverb pedal that models both famous reverb units along with standard studio reverbs. Verbzilla comes with the follow reverb:
'63 Spring - Based on* a Fender® 1963 brown spring reverb head unit. Best known for great surf guitar tone!
Spring - Based on a studio spring reverb.
Plate - Based on a studio plate reverb.
Room - Simulates the acoustic properties of a classic echo chamber that consists mainly of early reflections.
Chamber - An elongated ambient space such as a hall, stairwell or elevator shaft creates this reverb type. Dreamy.
Hall - Simulates the sound of a concert hall or large open space with a strong reverb tail. Imagine a gymnasium, performance hall, or cathedral.
Ducking - Built using a 'Hall' but with a ducking effect. The volume of your reverb is "ducked" (reduced) while you're playing, and increases when you stop. This allows for clean musical passages with a touch of reverb that ramps up in volume once you stop playing.
Octo - Creates a lush, ambient space with a harmonized decay whose harmonic denseness is controlled by the time knob. Use volume swells and prepare to float on a cloud!
Cave - Surreal cavernous echo chamber. NOT REALLY :23:
Tile - Emulates the acoustic reflections of a tiled room, such as a bathroom with bright early reflections. NOT REALLY :bad:
Echo - Just like it says ...echo...echo...echo. NOT REALLY :headache:
NOW for Echo
Good echo (e.g., DeLayla, DeLayla XL and Red Repeat) is what Verbzilla user's dream about! http://www.carlmartin.com/ :9:
Great echo (e.g., TTE) is what users of Red Repeat dream about.
http://www.fulltone.com/stpframe.html :yes11: :bigok:
Reverb is a cheap simulation (e.g., Verbzilla) on real reverbration that occurs in nature.
The Line6 Verbzilla is a reverb pedal that models both famous reverb units along with standard studio reverbs. Verbzilla comes with the follow reverb:
'63 Spring - Based on* a Fender® 1963 brown spring reverb head unit. Best known for great surf guitar tone!
Spring - Based on a studio spring reverb.
Plate - Based on a studio plate reverb.
Room - Simulates the acoustic properties of a classic echo chamber that consists mainly of early reflections.
Chamber - An elongated ambient space such as a hall, stairwell or elevator shaft creates this reverb type. Dreamy.
Hall - Simulates the sound of a concert hall or large open space with a strong reverb tail. Imagine a gymnasium, performance hall, or cathedral.
Ducking - Built using a 'Hall' but with a ducking effect. The volume of your reverb is "ducked" (reduced) while you're playing, and increases when you stop. This allows for clean musical passages with a touch of reverb that ramps up in volume once you stop playing.
Octo - Creates a lush, ambient space with a harmonized decay whose harmonic denseness is controlled by the time knob. Use volume swells and prepare to float on a cloud!
Cave - Surreal cavernous echo chamber. NOT REALLY :23:
Tile - Emulates the acoustic reflections of a tiled room, such as a bathroom with bright early reflections. NOT REALLY :bad:
Echo - Just like it says ...echo...echo...echo. NOT REALLY :headache:
NOW for Echo
Good echo (e.g., DeLayla, DeLayla XL and Red Repeat) is what Verbzilla user's dream about! http://www.carlmartin.com/ :9:
Great echo (e.g., TTE) is what users of Red Repeat dream about.
http://www.fulltone.com/stpframe.html :yes11: :bigok:
SirJackdeFuzz
New member
Re: Echo??
Some more super delays, (((lays, lays, lays))) . . .
Dytone DiAnna
http://www.dytone.de/DianaEcho.htm
Guyatone RTE-3000
http://guyatone.com/Rte3000.php
Fulltone - need i say more ???
http://www.fulltone.com/stpframe.html
Still the best after all these years !
. . . but i prefur the Carl Martin DeLayla XL above any other delay, even the all analog MOOG !!!
My 2cents, (((ents, ents, ents)))
Some more super delays, (((lays, lays, lays))) . . .
Dytone DiAnna
http://www.dytone.de/DianaEcho.htm
Guyatone RTE-3000
http://guyatone.com/Rte3000.php
Fulltone - need i say more ???
http://www.fulltone.com/stpframe.html
Still the best after all these years !
. . . but i prefur the Carl Martin DeLayla XL above any other delay, even the all analog MOOG !!!
My 2cents, (((ents, ents, ents)))
Rushfan2112
New member
Virtual Kevorkian
New member
Dr.Mavashi
neonderthalotonalogist
Re: Echo??
Just to be a Devil's advocate, TTE sound clips are light years ahead of everything out there, I've got to check out delayla again or Red Repeat again, but just a month ago I've listened to TTE soundclip and said to myself its that or nothig ..... but I am in my Blackmore stage now, so ...
Just to be a Devil's advocate, TTE sound clips are light years ahead of everything out there, I've got to check out delayla again or Red Repeat again, but just a month ago I've listened to TTE soundclip and said to myself its that or nothig ..... but I am in my Blackmore stage now, so ...
Stratman
Guitaris Maximus
Re: Echo??
Hey, when you make enough money from playing clubs and actually pay and use equipment, not just try them out at the local guitar center, then contribute something intellegent.
Read the bottom of my post!
Opinioned - No, just right most of the time.
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Hey, when you make enough money from playing clubs and actually pay and use equipment, not just try them out at the local guitar center, then contribute something intellegent.
Read the bottom of my post!
Opinioned - No, just right most of the time.
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Rushfan2112
New member
Re: Echo??
Winner. Echo is just a term for an analog or tape sounding delay, in my opinion. And I think you can get great delay and echo sounds from units that don't cost $1000, either. There are some great delay pedals out there for pretty cheap (or in comparison to a TTE or Roland Space Echo), plus you don't have to regularly maintain them.
Winner. Echo is just a term for an analog or tape sounding delay, in my opinion. And I think you can get great delay and echo sounds from units that don't cost $1000, either. There are some great delay pedals out there for pretty cheap (or in comparison to a TTE or Roland Space Echo), plus you don't have to regularly maintain them.
Pink Unicorn Horsey
Megä Pöny Rÿdr
Rich_T
Kyuss_Rockologist
Rushfan2112
New member
Re: Echo??
Hey, when you realize that playing a gig has no correlation to testing out a product and having an opinion about it, contribute something intelligent.
Some people make it too easy...
Hey, when you realize that playing a gig has no correlation to testing out a product and having an opinion about it, contribute something intelligent.
Some people make it too easy...
Stratman
Guitaris Maximus
Re: Echo??
This from a 16 year old! Read my avatar!
When you are making a living playing gigs for serious money, you get to test a lot of products. That's the intelligent thing to do, not argue with kids, not old enough to make a dollar, much less six figures, annually!
This from a 16 year old! Read my avatar!
When you are making a living playing gigs for serious money, you get to test a lot of products. That's the intelligent thing to do, not argue with kids, not old enough to make a dollar, much less six figures, annually!
GuitarStv
Sock Market Trader
Re: Echo??
I did my final engineering design project on digital signal processing. There are actually technical descriptions for each term . . .
Echo - A special type of reverb. An echo is a reflection of sound that is perceived by the listener some time after the the original sound was made. It's not a perfect reproduction of the original sound - it is somewhat frequency filtered. For example, if you yell something from the top of a canyon, you will hear the echo made.
Reverb - Short for reverberation. Reverberations are the commonly heard reflections of sound that a noise in a room creates. Generally you can't hear the individual reflections (echos) because they arrive faster than your ear can process them. Natural reverb in a room consists of many different delayed repeats (caused by sound bouncing off of furniture, walls, the ceiling, the floor, and anything else that's in the room) which are modified in frequency (sound waves lose some of their energy (especially high frequency energy) when they reflect.
Delay - A periodic repeat (or series of repeats) of an original signal.
Now things get sticky when we enter the world of guitars because everyone has a different name for effects. Any device that reproduces the unmodified original input signal at periodic interval is a delay. Any device that tries to emulate reverb (by changing the frequency of repeats, by changing the rate of the repeats randomly or due to a formula) is a reverb.
I did my final engineering design project on digital signal processing. There are actually technical descriptions for each term . . .
Echo - A special type of reverb. An echo is a reflection of sound that is perceived by the listener some time after the the original sound was made. It's not a perfect reproduction of the original sound - it is somewhat frequency filtered. For example, if you yell something from the top of a canyon, you will hear the echo made.
Reverb - Short for reverberation. Reverberations are the commonly heard reflections of sound that a noise in a room creates. Generally you can't hear the individual reflections (echos) because they arrive faster than your ear can process them. Natural reverb in a room consists of many different delayed repeats (caused by sound bouncing off of furniture, walls, the ceiling, the floor, and anything else that's in the room) which are modified in frequency (sound waves lose some of their energy (especially high frequency energy) when they reflect.
Delay - A periodic repeat (or series of repeats) of an original signal.
Now things get sticky when we enter the world of guitars because everyone has a different name for effects. Any device that reproduces the unmodified original input signal at periodic interval is a delay. Any device that tries to emulate reverb (by changing the frequency of repeats, by changing the rate of the repeats randomly or due to a formula) is a reverb.
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Pink Unicorn Horsey
Megä Pöny Rÿdr
Re: Echo??
Stay on topic, guys. No need for character bashing or ego boosting here.
Stay on topic, guys. No need for character bashing or ego boosting here.
tubeman87
New member
Re: Echo??
I've wanting to get a really good echo/delay effect lately I don't have the money nor the want to spend 1k on a TTE, I was thinking of the Hughes & Kettner Replex delay and echo....anyone use this one before....any thoughts?
PS Kind of off topic but still with in the realms..........
I've wanting to get a really good echo/delay effect lately I don't have the money nor the want to spend 1k on a TTE, I was thinking of the Hughes & Kettner Replex delay and echo....anyone use this one before....any thoughts?
PS Kind of off topic but still with in the realms..........
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Dr.Mavashi
neonderthalotonalogist
Re: Echo??
Alright here it is, my Laney does not have a reverb, I've been looking for the reverb thing for ever, and can not say that I love EH's Holy Grail series, its a little icypicky ... I am pretty much 80% metal as far as my needs go, everything from classic Priest, Accept, Savatage to Nightwish, Stratovarious, EdGuy, Heaven and Hell(Iommi) as well I just love that echoplex sound of Blackmore from first Rainbow album as well as the overall reverb/delay sound on YJM's first album, so here Q do you guys think I will kill a lot of birds with one stone by using the Ibanez AD-9 re-issue's slapback ?
Alright here it is, my Laney does not have a reverb, I've been looking for the reverb thing for ever, and can not say that I love EH's Holy Grail series, its a little icypicky ... I am pretty much 80% metal as far as my needs go, everything from classic Priest, Accept, Savatage to Nightwish, Stratovarious, EdGuy, Heaven and Hell(Iommi) as well I just love that echoplex sound of Blackmore from first Rainbow album as well as the overall reverb/delay sound on YJM's first album, so here Q do you guys think I will kill a lot of birds with one stone by using the Ibanez AD-9 re-issue's slapback ?
JB_From_Hell
Jomo's Nimions
Re: Echo??
You'd think somebody who makes six figures annually, gigs a lot, whatever the hell else you said, would understand the difference between reverb and echo.
You'd think somebody who makes six figures annually, gigs a lot, whatever the hell else you said, would understand the difference between reverb and echo.
