Effects dependent players
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Closed Eye
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Re: Effects dependent players
Very true.
Something that's interesting about Tom Morello is that he was a 12 hour a day aspiring guitar virtuoso in a neo-classical vein. This is pretty evident in the solo's that joelap pointed out. Although he's pretty much dropped the neo-classical style from his playing I think various elements of his jazz heros like Wes Montgomery (see "Getaway Car") and electronic influences like Portishead (see "The Last Remaining Light" and "Hypnotize") are more evident in Audioslave. Personally, I'm kind of glad he dropped the neo-classical thing, as cool as it was, the jazz/electronic stuff sounds better. He's also great at over the top rock soloing too! (check out the live bootleg of the song "Super Stoopid" if you can)
Mincer said:
Very true.
Something that's interesting about Tom Morello is that he was a 12 hour a day aspiring guitar virtuoso in a neo-classical vein. This is pretty evident in the solo's that joelap pointed out. Although he's pretty much dropped the neo-classical style from his playing I think various elements of his jazz heros like Wes Montgomery (see "Getaway Car") and electronic influences like Portishead (see "The Last Remaining Light" and "Hypnotize") are more evident in Audioslave. Personally, I'm kind of glad he dropped the neo-classical thing, as cool as it was, the jazz/electronic stuff sounds better. He's also great at over the top rock soloing too! (check out the live bootleg of the song "Super Stoopid" if you can)
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Re: Effects dependent players
I think Morello is great player. The "Edge" not so much. That's more a matter of personal opinion. Pleanty of great players like whacky effects. Dimebag used the Whammy pedal alot as well. We could easily point to players to hide behind effect or use them as a crutch. I think you should not afraid to try new stuff out. But you shouldn't feel like you have to use something either. Zakk Wylde has a very simple rig. Is he a better player than say Satriana, who like to use lots of different tones?
I think Morello is great player. The "Edge" not so much. That's more a matter of personal opinion. Pleanty of great players like whacky effects. Dimebag used the Whammy pedal alot as well. We could easily point to players to hide behind effect or use them as a crutch. I think you should not afraid to try new stuff out. But you shouldn't feel like you have to use something either. Zakk Wylde has a very simple rig. Is he a better player than say Satriana, who like to use lots of different tones?
Bludave
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Re: Effects dependent players
It's sort of like signature licks to a degree. To me a Player will always sound like themselves regardless of the gear they use. SRV primarily played a Strat thru a Vibrolux, yet there were some things that he used an Epi Sheareton thru a Marshall. It sonded differnt, but you could tell from miles away it was SRV.
It's sort of like signature licks to a degree. To me a Player will always sound like themselves regardless of the gear they use. SRV primarily played a Strat thru a Vibrolux, yet there were some things that he used an Epi Sheareton thru a Marshall. It sonded differnt, but you could tell from miles away it was SRV.
Fresh_Start
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Re: Effects dependent players
I can see both sides of this. Jimi Hendrix sounded amazing playing a 12-string acoustic version of "Hear My Train A Coming" even though his signature sound with the wah, Fuzz Face, and Marshall distortion is instantly recognizable. Obviously, his hands and his head were the most important ingredients.
The way I look at it, is that everything from your pick to your speakers, including both ends, is your instrument. Paco de Lucia simply uses an acoustic guitar. Amazing. The Edge has 2 computers and lord knows how many gizmos as part of his instrument. The point is, both of them have mastered their chosen instruments and create wonderful music.
Guess I'm feeling philosophical today
Chip
I can see both sides of this. Jimi Hendrix sounded amazing playing a 12-string acoustic version of "Hear My Train A Coming" even though his signature sound with the wah, Fuzz Face, and Marshall distortion is instantly recognizable. Obviously, his hands and his head were the most important ingredients.
The way I look at it, is that everything from your pick to your speakers, including both ends, is your instrument. Paco de Lucia simply uses an acoustic guitar. Amazing. The Edge has 2 computers and lord knows how many gizmos as part of his instrument. The point is, both of them have mastered their chosen instruments and create wonderful music.
Guess I'm feeling philosophical today
Chip
Dankerella
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Re: Effects dependent players
I always thought it was funny on the first Rage album, there was a disclaimer saying "there were no keyboards played on this album," like I care if it was his guitar through an amp and a bunch of effects and then tweaked again by the engineer or done by a keyboard. Does he want a trophy or something?
I always thought it was funny on the first Rage album, there was a disclaimer saying "there were no keyboards played on this album," like I care if it was his guitar through an amp and a bunch of effects and then tweaked again by the engineer or done by a keyboard. Does he want a trophy or something?
grams
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Re: Effects dependent players
I'd just like to throw in the name "zakk wylde". I don't like him that much, but I think he should also be listed - he always has a chorus on and solos mostly involve a wah. At least that's the impression I got...
The "no keyboards used on this album" reminds me of Queen. They had a "No synthesizers were used on this record" note on their first few albums. maybe just a coincidence :laugh2:
I'd just like to throw in the name "zakk wylde". I don't like him that much, but I think he should also be listed - he always has a chorus on and solos mostly involve a wah. At least that's the impression I got...
The "no keyboards used on this album" reminds me of Queen. They had a "No synthesizers were used on this record" note on their first few albums. maybe just a coincidence :laugh2:
Quencho092
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Re: Effects dependent players
well, dave is also known for sounding amazing without anything in the signal. The solo for another brick in the wall II was done using very light compression straight into a mixer. I think his hands speak much more than these other pedal jockeys.
stevie_bees said:
well, dave is also known for sounding amazing without anything in the signal. The solo for another brick in the wall II was done using very light compression straight into a mixer. I think his hands speak much more than these other pedal jockeys.
Pandemonium
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Re: Effects dependent players
Effects don't bother me, what ever suits the tune is what you should use. You do have to be careful with compression and delay, both can easily be overdone, at least to suit my tastes.
Pink Floyd couldn't have existed without effects. AC/DC couldn't exist with 'em. I love both. What I really hate is that sterile, synthetic, over processed sound that sounds like it's coming from out of a tunnel underneath a robot factory.
Effects don't bother me, what ever suits the tune is what you should use. You do have to be careful with compression and delay, both can easily be overdone, at least to suit my tastes.
Pink Floyd couldn't have existed without effects. AC/DC couldn't exist with 'em. I love both. What I really hate is that sterile, synthetic, over processed sound that sounds like it's coming from out of a tunnel underneath a robot factory.
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To me, effects are just like colors on a paint pallete...
Some artists choose to use only black and white, while others with use hundreds upong hundreds of colors. Some will even mix their OWN colors. As for technique some artists with paint frighteningly realistic pictures with the accuracy and delicacy of an eye surgeon, others are Jackson Pollock.
As long as a nice picture is painted (and thats subjective) then that's all the really matters.
I think what I could caution against is that you shouldn't get to the point where you're "crippled" if you have to play with no effects. I like to use a combination of seeing what my fingers can do and then seeing how I can alter the sound using effects.
I saw an acoustic guitarist named Willie Porter open for Eric Johnson and while he did use chorus, delay, and a looper occasionally, he manipulated that Guild acoustic into a realm of sound that I would've thought physically impossible had i not seen it done 10 feet in front of me. His use of effects expanded upon the sound he'd created and opened up a multidimensional soundscape that he had total control over.
In other words, you play the effects, don't let the effects play you.
To me, effects are just like colors on a paint pallete...
Some artists choose to use only black and white, while others with use hundreds upong hundreds of colors. Some will even mix their OWN colors. As for technique some artists with paint frighteningly realistic pictures with the accuracy and delicacy of an eye surgeon, others are Jackson Pollock.
As long as a nice picture is painted (and thats subjective) then that's all the really matters.
I think what I could caution against is that you shouldn't get to the point where you're "crippled" if you have to play with no effects. I like to use a combination of seeing what my fingers can do and then seeing how I can alter the sound using effects.
I saw an acoustic guitarist named Willie Porter open for Eric Johnson and while he did use chorus, delay, and a looper occasionally, he manipulated that Guild acoustic into a realm of sound that I would've thought physically impossible had i not seen it done 10 feet in front of me. His use of effects expanded upon the sound he'd created and opened up a multidimensional soundscape that he had total control over.
In other words, you play the effects, don't let the effects play you.
stevie_bees
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Re: Effects dependent players
His playing may be blues based, but listen to any PF album and you'll hear all the other textural sounds that he can only achieve experimenting with effects. My point was he sounds great in both situations.
You don't just have to have a "revolutionary language" on guitar to sound great with, or without effects. Both Dave Gilmour and Tom Morrello have to ability to make the instrument sound amazing whatever they're using. A very rare breed IMO.
Mincer said:
His playing may be blues based, but listen to any PF album and you'll hear all the other textural sounds that he can only achieve experimenting with effects. My point was he sounds great in both situations.
You don't just have to have a "revolutionary language" on guitar to sound great with, or without effects. Both Dave Gilmour and Tom Morrello have to ability to make the instrument sound amazing whatever they're using. A very rare breed IMO.
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