Effects of Wood and Pickups on Tone

Re: Effects of Wood and Pickups on Tone

Very good Frank, I agree. Another thing to remember is as long as the PU is attached to the guitar IT WILL SENSE THE GUITAR. It is not just the strings that are vibrating. Every thing that is in contact with anything that is in contact with the strings, IS VIBRATING. This includes the PU. So in essence if the PU is vibrating because the guitar is vibrating, not only are the strings vibrating above the PU, but the PU is also vibrating underneath the strings.
 
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Ok, I may agree that wood does have an impact on tone, but the real question is: how significant is the impact? It may influence the EQ somehow but does it influence the sound quality? Or does it justify the price difference between guitars made of two types of wood? I feel from my experience, that the pickups have a much greater impact on the sound than wood. I believe that Angus wants his guitars to have the same sound and sustain in every song. To have "that" sound. But I have come across "Rig Rundown" with Joe Perry's technician and what struck me the most is that Joe had about 10-15 guitars of very different type, LP's Teles etc., and he often uses two completely different types of guitar on two different shows but in the same song. He doesn't mind playing a song with tele and on the other night using Les Paul or anything else. So it is completely different approach than Angus. It is all down to the personal preference.
 
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Very good Frank, I agree. Another thing to remember is as long as the PU is attached to the guitar IT WILL SENSE THE GUITAR. It is not just the strings that are vibrating. Every thing that is in contact with anything that is in contact with the strings, IS VIBRATING. This includes the PU. So in essence if the PU is vibrating because the guitar is vibrating, not only are the strings vibrating above the PU, but the PU is also vibrating underneath the strings.

It's not that the pickup senses the guitar, or that it senses anything. It's a question of electrical signals being generated in these massive copper coils - just like a hydroelectric dam you see - so think of it like this. The magnet causes the ferrous string to carry magnetic signal, which shakes or waves as you strike the string. The string, moving back and forth over a copper coil, pushes and pulls electrons, and this generates a current. It's like taking pictures of someone riding a bike.

Now, imagine that you're in california and an earthquake happens while you're trying to take pictures - the subjects themselves aren't any different but because you're shaking on the other end they certainly look different. Same think with a direct-mounted pickup - because it's mounted to something that's vibrating, it looks different, but it's not 'sensing' the string vibrations any more than the camera senses the earthquake.

Ok, I may agree that wood does have an impact on tone, but the real question is: how significant is the impact? It may influence the EQ somehow but does it influence the sound quality? Or does it justify the price difference between guitars made of two types of wood? I feel from my experience, that the pickups have a much greater impact on the sound than wood. I believe that Angus wants his guitars to have the same sound and sustain in every song. To have "that" sound. But I have come across "Rig Rundown" with Joe Perry's technician and what struck me the most is that Joe had about 10-15 guitars of very different type, LP's Teles etc., and he often uses two completely different types of guitar on two different shows but in the same song. He doesn't mind playing a song with tele and on the other night using Les Paul or anything else. So it is completely different approach than Angus. It is all down to the personal preference.

As far as angus young is concerned, don't amps turn up all the way still? I feel like if you have a 50w+ marshall dimed through at least 4x12" speakers you can sound like angus with a djent stick.

But as far as wood vs. pickups on tone, that's a whole nother beast. Swamp ash vs. alder could fill encyclopedias - hard tail vs. tremolo, maple vs. rosewood, 3 vs. 4-bolt necks, poly vs. nitro finish, does the player play down the strings or across the strings, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

That being said, the best wood is resonant wood. I've played hollow body mahogany/maple guitars that don't sound great, and 4-piece alder bodies that sound fantastic. It's the combination that makes things great.
 
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The question is - Does wood give you great tone or does great tone give you wood?
 
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I fully understand how a PU works/generates a signal, by way of the string fluctuating the magnetic field that surrounds the coil. Yes you are right, the PU dos not sense the wood of the body or neck nor dos it sense the metal of the bridge or the frets or any other component, construction technique or finish. That is, not directly like the string dose. But because the string is attached to all of these, and is affected by all of these, in a way the PU dose sense these items. Or should I say, it picks up the influence that these items have on how the string vibrates. Every thing that is a part of a guitar has an influence on how the string vibrates by how they pass, filter, dampen and accentuate all the various frequencies that are a part of the strings vibrating.
 
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Newbie -
...but I can't help but 'ringing' in...
Hollow or solid body designs necessarily affect the sound. Why? Because these materials resonate the vibrations of the instrument. Ever been in the studio recording a solo electric guitar, lot's of gain and overdrive, etc.; and someone shouts in the same room space? You'll likely hear that voice on the recording if you were rolling. "But I thought that the pickups were purely electromagnetic phenomenon that only 'pick up' the vibrations of the strings within the field!" Yep. Tensioned guitar strings are also the 'perfect storm' when talking about resonance. They like EVERYTHING! So, when the wood is 'treated' by the sound, it returns the favor back to the strings. The different overtones produced by the shapes, finishes, and densities of the various materials that make up the electric guitar are 'picked up' by the strings themselves, and then of course, by the pickups. It's a form of sympathetic resonance. Try this experiment: Plug your guitar directly into the board/input/whatever - that is connected to a recording system, (Daw, etc.), turn off any speaker/monitor output and record-enable the respective track. Turn the gain all the way past ridiculous. Now talk and watch the meters. Talk louder and louder until you see them move, (and move, they will!). Roll... (record). Listen. Whatcha got? You 'got' a recording of your voice vibrating the guitar (wood and all...); and the strings, (strings that are vibrating with the wood and with the sound waves that your voice is producing). Cool?
 
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My ears are all the proof I need. When I A/B my electrics unplugged and plugged in, I can hear the differences. And I could still hear them even without an internetz connection.

If your tin ears can't detect any difference, you probably shouldn't be a musician. Maybe stamp collecting is your calling? Or you could be a Barista? Zoo Keeper?
 
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i cant hear the difference
hand me any guitar and with just a few twists of the knobs
I'll make it sound as crappy as my regular guitars

I can draw the sukage out of any gear
 
Re: Effects of Wood and Pickups on Tone

Tone: 1% wood, 40% pickups, 40% amp, 19% effects. Factor in processing in the studio, or audience uproar at concerts, then wood won't mean shyte.
 
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I've never understood why this is even a debate. Listen to a guitar unplugged, then listen to it plugged in. It doesn't matter which pickups you use, it's going to retain the same basic characteristics. An bright guitar is going to sound bright, a dull guitar is going to sound dull, a good sounding guitar is going to sound good, and a sh*tty sounding guitar is going to sound like sh*t.

Further, you can drop a PAF in a guitar that acoustically explodes midrange and it's still going to explode midrange, and you can drop a JB in a guitar that's acoustically scooped it's still going to sound scooped. Why people think that a set of passive pickups will significantly alter the fundamental tone of a guitar is beyond me. They're passive... they can only subtract from the frequencies that are already present and have no ability to boost what wasn't there in the first place.

I'm on the high gain side of things, you'd think that I wouldn't be able to hear sh*t through all the noise, but it's there... all you have to do is listen.
 
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I did this : same pickup same wood same rig different guitar (V vs LP) = result is sort of same sound but one is deeper than the other.

Then I Change pickup = different
 
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I did this : same pickup same wood same rig different guitar (V vs LP) = result is sort of same sound but one is deeper than the other.

Then I Change pickup = different

This doesn't prove anything other than what people who think wood effects tone have been saying. Yeah the same pickup in two guitars with the same wood will sound very similar.
 
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Here is an informative video that demonstrates that no matter what tone wood or carbon fibre...it sounds good. All this bull**** about tone woods is a lost argument. If the guitar is built right , it will sound great period! This is a CORK SNIFFERS thread beyond belief.




;>)/
 
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Here is an informative video that demonstrates that no matter what tone wood or carbon fibre...it sounds good. All this bull**** about tone woods is a lost argument. If the guitar is built right , it will sound great period! This is a CORK SNIFFERS thread beyond belief.

1) The video demonstrates that a good sounding guitar is a good sounding guitar, regardless of what it's made of, and

2) The video demonstrates that a wooden guitar and a carbon fibre guitar sound different.
 
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I've never understood why this is even a debate. Listen to a guitar unplugged, then listen to it plugged in. It doesn't matter which pickups you use, it's going to retain the same basic characteristics. An bright guitar is going to sound bright, a dull guitar is going to sound dull, a good sounding guitar is going to sound good, and a sh*tty sounding guitar is going to sound like sh*t.

Why people think that a set of passive pickups will significantly alter the fundamental tone of a guitar is beyond me. They're passive... they can only subtract from the frequencies that are already present and have no ability to boost what wasn't there in the first place.

Really???!!!! Let's sue Seymour Duncan for misleading consumers to actually believe they can improve tone by upgrading the pickups. In the meantime we can ask the Administrator to shut down the Pickup Lounge.

Edit: Sarcasm alert.
 
Re: Effects of Wood and Pickups on Tone

Here is an informative video that demonstrates that no matter what tone wood or carbon fibre...it sounds good. All this bull**** about tone woods is a lost argument. If the guitar is built right , it will sound great period! This is a CORK SNIFFERS thread beyond belief.




;>)/

It is extremely hard to make the case that wood doesn't effect acoustic guitar tone. Even people who don't believe wood effects electric guitars will almost always make the concession that it does effect acoustics.
 
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Really???!!!! Let's sue Seymour Duncan for misleading consumers to actually believe they can improve tone by upgrading the pickups. In the meantime we can ask the Administrator to shut down the Pickup Lounge.

Edit: Sarcasm alert.

How the f*ck did you get that out of anything I wrote? If anything variance within guitars justifies why there's so many aftermarket pickup options available.

And FWIW, I believe Seymour Duncan himself has said in the past that wood matters, which is why it's important to select the right pickup.
 
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It is extremely hard to make the case that wood doesn't effect acoustic guitar tone. Even people who don't believe wood effects electric guitars will almost always make the concession that it does effect acoustics.

I would like to elaborate on your point about tone woods. Let's compare maple to mahogany. Mahogany is an open cell wood that provides more warmth and a woody tone. Maple and ebony are closed celled woods that provides more brightness in their tone. I do agree there are differences but when it comes down to the bottom line, as long as the guitar is well built it will sound good no matter what.



;>)/
 
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I would like to elaborate on your point about tone woods. Let's compare maple to mahogany. Mahogany is an open cell wood that provides more warmth and a woody tone. Maple and ebony are closed celled woods that provides more brightness in their tone. I do agree there are differences but when it comes down to the bottom line, as long as the guitar is well built it will sound good no matter what.



;>)/

The construction of a guitar affects playability not tone.
 
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