Ehh, Picking Speakers Is Driving Me Crazy!!!

So about a month ago now I bought a Blackstar HT-20 head, mostly because it was on clearance & stupid cheap!!! Anyhow when I got it home I stuck it on top of my V-30 loaded 1x12 to try it out which is the only cabinet I keep out all the time. I keep the rest of them in storage because we don't have a lot of space in the house. The head sounded alright I suppose, decent dirt & awful spiky cleans which is pretty much exactly what I expected so no real surprises there?

That should have been the end of it but I had to nitpick! For anyone who is not familiar with them the HT-20 comes ridiculously large cabinet for a 20W head. I know it's got EL34's instead of EL84's but still, it just doesn't need to be that large. Furthermore it looked kinda silly hanging off the ends on my 1x12 so I set about trying to do something about this....


Off the top of my head I figured a narrow panel 1x12 would be great for this particular head & since they aren't that big but unfortunately I didn't have one of those. However I did have a broken Princeton Chorus 2x10 in the shed that was more or less the same size. I pulled out the chassis, refinished the cabinet, & then bought a couple 50W Eminence Red Fang 10's to go in it. On paper this all seemed like exactly what I was after but when I got the 10's hooked up I found them to be lacking in low end. Keep in mind they are new & still quite stiff which I'm sure is exasperating this effect to some extent? I will say this for them though, they have fantastically punchy mids, & some serious cut to them!!

Now since the Fangs do have some qualities that I really enjoyed, & since speakers are non returnable, I started thinking about how I could make them work. The first thing I tried was converting the open back to a 3/4 open back. This actually made a pretty good difference & helped to project the low end that was there through the front of the cabinet but I still wasn't satisfied!!! The only other thing I could think of at this point was to run the R.F. 2X10 with another 16 ohm cabinet, preferably with a 12in driver that could compensate for the 2x10's shortcomings.

In a perfect world I would have been able to just use the 1x12 cabinet & V-30 speaker I already had out but unfortunately the Vintage 30 in it is a 8 ohm driver. Furthermore I had the exact same issue with my G12T-100, Greenbacks, ALNICO Weber, Eminence Cannabis Rex & just about every other 12 inch speaker I've got on hand!!! After digging through boxes & my larger cabinets I came to the sad realization that the only 16 ohm 12 inch speaker that I had was a Seventy/80 that I'd pulled out of my DSL40C years ago. Probably not the ideal speaker for what I was trying to do but it was what I had & I really had nothing to lose at that point? Running the 70/80 with the now mostly closed back 2x10 was a major improvement!!! When all three speakers we going I still got those great mids as well as cut but now the bass was nice, tight, & thick!!!

Now it's a lot better than what it was originally & my 10's are starting to get broken in just a bit but it's still not where I'd like it to be likely because of that stupid 70/80!!! So I said to myself "Self, you know what would be absolutely perfect with them 10's? A gosh darn 75W Celestion Creamback!!!" So I tracked a 16 ohm version of one of those today & hopefully it will be the end of all this!!!

Oh, LOL, while all this was going on I was also able to scoop up another broken S.S. Fender combo for nothing from a kid down the street but this time it was a old Stage 1000 & came in a 1x12 cabinet. This was great news because it is exactly the same size as the 2X10!!! So once I've crammed the Creamback into it Ill be able to stack them on top of each other effectively giving me a three speaker, two cabinet, 20W Blackstar HT-20 full stack!!!


LOL, THERE WAS A TIME WHEN I COULD REALLY CARE LESS ABOUT SPEAKERS, THEN I FOUND OUT HOW MUCH OF YOUR TONE IS ATTRIBUTED TO THEM & NOW I OBSESS OVER THE DAM THINGS!!!!
 
Re: Ehh, Picking Speakers Is Driving Me Crazy!!!

I think that it probably would have been simpler to jus convert the open back 2x10 to a closed back. But that's just me.

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I just got a 2x12 with M magnet Creambacks (65W), and it sounds great. A little less efficient (97db) than my other 2x12 cabs but that’s good for me. My 100W and 40W heads have plenty of juice. ;)

Hope it works out!
 
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two red fang 10's and a creamback 75 sounds like a great setup. speakers make a big difference, live most sound guys are only gonna mic one so usually just run with a 1x12 but its fun to stand 10' away from you multi speaker setup and enjoy the glorious mixing of tones
 
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....LOL, THERE WAS A TIME WHEN I COULD REALLY CARE LESS ABOUT SPEAKERS, THEN I FOUND OUT HOW MUCH OF YOUR TONE IS ATTRIBUTED TO THEM & NOW I OBSESS OVER THE DAM THINGS!!!!
Very true for sure, but a cliche I often refer to: "Better is an enemy of Good". You're not alone.
 
Re: Ehh, Picking Speakers Is Driving Me Crazy!!!

I think that it probably would have been simpler to jus convert the open back 2x10 to a closed back. But that's just me.

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I actually did try completely closing the back of the cabinet up & it did help in the bass projection area but it also made the cabinet sound quite boxy....
 
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Good info to know.

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I’ve got that same amp....and I’ve suggested several times in the forum to other members to check out the Splawn Small Block speakers by Eminence. 55W Greenback flavor....they absolutely kill. I have two of my 2x12 with a Small Block paired with a G12t-75. That’s an amazing combo. (For me anyway).
 
Re: Ehh, Picking Speakers Is Driving Me Crazy!!!

I just got a 2x12 with M magnet Creambacks (65W), and it sounds great. A little less efficient (97db) than my other 2x12 cabs but that’s good for me. My 100W and 40W heads have plenty of juice. ;)

Hope it works out!

Often in band settings I run my Parsons JTM45 clone through my buddy's closed back Orange 2x12 since its already sitting in his basement where we jam. He has it loaded with two of the 60W G12 Neo Creambacks & it sounds pretty friggin glorious!!!

I was a bit skeptical about neodymium Creambacks when he'd first told me about them & even more so when he first bought them but surprisingly enough Celestion definitely got them pretty darn close to the ceramic models all at about half the weight!!! Don't get me wrong, Im still partial to the M & especially H magnet 65W or 75W versions, especially for when you still need warmth while playing harder stuff....

Now with all that said, IMHO the 90W ALNICO Celestion Creamback will always reign supreme within the Merry Creamback Kingdom!!!
 
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