EL34 tubes damaged?

Gr8Scott

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I have a set of Tesla EL34's in my Butcher that suddenly started to blow the heater fuse in the amp. I think one of them shorted out. When I originally installed the tubes, they biased nicely at about 35 ma and remained steady there. The amp sounded huge and it kept this awesome sound until it started blowing the fuse. I tried running two tubes by themselves, but it just sounded dark and crappy. Very spongy though and the volume was markedly lower. I probably have about 20 hours of playing time on these tubes. The heater fuse is 8 amps, which should be more than enough to support the quad of EL34 tubes and the three 12AX7 tubes as well. I didn't re-check the bias after only 20 hours, but the tubes seemed to hold bias very well initially after I installed them. I did re-check after the first hour of play time on them to make sure they were holding firm and they were.

After inspecting them a bit, I see a bit of light brownish discoloration on the glass by itself just below the getter flash around the top of the tube. The discoloration is not touching the getter flash, but it is close to it. The getter flash is still silver and is slightly darker than when I first installed the tubes.

My only experience with blowing output tubes happened when some poorly made chinese KT-66 tubes lost vacuum and died rapidly on my Edana. I've never had a set do this before.

I have a couple of choices to replace them with. I have the EHX EL34's and JJ E34L's. I've heard good things about the JJ's sound, but they are not the best in terms of microphonics and may be damaged by too much mechanical vibration. I'm running this head without an enclosure at the moment while I have a friend make me a new lighter enclosure, so mechanical vibration is a definite consideration while I'm waiting.

Being a tube junky has it's merits at times. I didn't even know I had the JJ's and thought I had sold the EHX tubes with one of the amps I sold a while back. I completely forgot I had two quads of matched EL34 tubes waiting to replace the Tesla tubes that burned out.
 
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Not sure about the significance of the brown discolouration on the glass but the reduced output and ragged sound suggest knackered valves.
 
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OK... Now we have a mystery here. Turns out the new quad of EHX tubes blew the heater fuse immediately just like the old set of Teslas did. Changing all the tubes doesn't reduce the draw on the heater circuit.

Something in the amp is causing an increased draw on the heater current, but it's not the tubes and it's not a gigantic increase. It's something in the 3 amp range most likely because the amp can run fine with two output tubes. Methinks it's got something to do with the "hum balance" circuit that is currently in place on the amp. It's literally the only thing I can think of that could be causing the problem outside of the tubes themselves. There is a capacitor that runs between the hum balance and ground and if that cap goes slightly leaky it would cause this sort of a problem. Once I locate my trusty soldering iron, I'll replace that cap and see how she runs after that...
 
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The hum balance doesn't appear to be the problem at all. Now I'm really starting to wonder about this thing. I'm quickly running out of things to point at that would be likely to cause the problem. I removed the hum balance circuit and that did nothing at all. It was completely innocent. I wonder if maybe the increase in current draw and the potentially resultant heat caused one of the connectors on the power board to go wonky and it's not making good contact. I'm really guessing at this point...
 
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Check out the sockets. Maybe there's a 'leak' in there?
Both power amp and preamp tubes.


Consumption should be 3x 0.3A + 4x 1.5A = 7A ?
 
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Ok... Now it's time to get ugly and start doing real diagnostics. I've kind of circled around and tried to find the problem by looking at what seem to be obvious and easy causes of the problem. That didn't work out for me. Now I'm going to have to warm up the soldering iron and start tracing the problem to a specific board via the heater wire connections to each board. I pray it's not the output tube board. That puppy is soldered directly to the sockets and those sockets are riveted to the chassis. It's a massive PITA to fix it if that is the problem child. I would likely desolder the mounting points and remove the board and hard wire everything directly to the individual sockets if that turns out to be the problem. I can easily fix anything that is wrong with the pre tube sockets or board. The power board will be a bit of a pain if that turns out to be the source of the problem, but only because of the number of components that could potentially be the problem.
 
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Boy am I embarrassed... I have been using the DMM wrong this entire time. Managed to blow the fuses in it as well just before figuring out what I was doing wrong. I feel like a huge dummy now. Turns out this particular DMM requires the user to press the "mode" button before you can read AC amperage. I've been trying to read DC amperage this entire time. On top of that, I blew the 400 ma fuse very early in the game and haven't been reading anything for quite some time as a result of that. I switched over to the 10a fused plug and brushed a trace with it that I shouldn't have touched and prompty blew the larger fused section of the DMM.

Now my DMM is useless until I can get some fuses. I'll have to learn to be more careful next time. I have been safe at least. I've been draining the caps using the alligator clip and 200k 2w resistor method before I touch the insides. It really does pay to be safe...
 
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Well, sht happens.
Try not to make more bad than good, and you;ll be OK in the end :)
 
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The short has to be in the heater circuit somewhere, but not necessarily the power tubes. Have you checked ALL of the tube sockets for possible shorts, wire whiskers, etc? Have you replaced ALL of the preamp tubes?

Good luck! Troubleshooting can drive one crazy...

Chip
 
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