EL84s???
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James Rock
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Re: EL84s???
Is it fixed or cathode bias. Cos most amps are fixed bias and that is generally the least workable because you can't change the bias and it doesn't change so you need tubes to match luckily most amps are very forgiving so you should be fine and places like the tube store ( www.thetubestore.com ) usually try to match the tubes they give you to the usual bias setting on your amp (if you tell them what it is).
Alot of people use JJ EL84's which are really good. JJ's in the preamp are good too although at times can be a little too dark but the classic 30 isn't really a dark amp is it?
Is it fixed or cathode bias. Cos most amps are fixed bias and that is generally the least workable because you can't change the bias and it doesn't change so you need tubes to match luckily most amps are very forgiving so you should be fine and places like the tube store ( www.thetubestore.com ) usually try to match the tubes they give you to the usual bias setting on your amp (if you tell them what it is).
Alot of people use JJ EL84's which are really good. JJ's in the preamp are good too although at times can be a little too dark but the classic 30 isn't really a dark amp is it?
donnievaz
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Check out these retube kits at Eurotubes.
https://ssl.eurotubes.com/cart/index.php?page=view_products&category_id=8&sub_category_id=33
Check out these retube kits at Eurotubes.
https://ssl.eurotubes.com/cart/index.php?page=view_products&category_id=8&sub_category_id=33
donnievaz
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Skarekrough
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Re: EL84s???
Classic 30?
High Gain?
Dark Sounding?
You're just pissing money away. Get another amp.
Classic 30?
High Gain?
Dark Sounding?
You're just pissing money away. Get another amp.
S
Skarekrough
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Re: EL84s???
Then you're going to hate it in the long run.
I had a C30 for a few years. It's a great amp but it has a few quirks to it.
The first of it is that the more you crank it the more mids and highs it gets, especially the mids and on the second channel. This means that there will be a considerable difference in tone between gigging volumes and rehearsing or bedrooom volumes.
The only way I found around this was by EQing and backing off the Pre. It helped alot to produce the same sounds I was getting in rehearsal, but inevitably the tone was SO different that I just couldn't deal with it.
I used to joke about it being a three channel amp the sound was so different when you goosed the pawer amp on it, and not so much in a good way all the time.
Honestly, you're likely going to be better served by going for another amp that is likely going to be more consistent in gain tonally over a wider range of volumes.
Seriously....for a few hundred more you're looking at something like a 5150 combo that just slays for metal.
Then you're going to hate it in the long run.
I had a C30 for a few years. It's a great amp but it has a few quirks to it.
The first of it is that the more you crank it the more mids and highs it gets, especially the mids and on the second channel. This means that there will be a considerable difference in tone between gigging volumes and rehearsing or bedrooom volumes.
The only way I found around this was by EQing and backing off the Pre. It helped alot to produce the same sounds I was getting in rehearsal, but inevitably the tone was SO different that I just couldn't deal with it.
I used to joke about it being a three channel amp the sound was so different when you goosed the pawer amp on it, and not so much in a good way all the time.
Honestly, you're likely going to be better served by going for another amp that is likely going to be more consistent in gain tonally over a wider range of volumes.
Seriously....for a few hundred more you're looking at something like a 5150 combo that just slays for metal.
Stratman
Guitaris Maximus
Re: EL84s???
You should try out "Harma E84L/7189A burst tested", which are always available from http://www.watfordvalves.com/products_harma.asp#harma
Those valves (Tubes) are stress tested to meet requirements of Brian May.
Tone and heat stress are important variables when selecting tubes - IMHO
You should try out "Harma E84L/7189A burst tested", which are always available from http://www.watfordvalves.com/products_harma.asp#harma
Those valves (Tubes) are stress tested to meet requirements of Brian May.
Tone and heat stress are important variables when selecting tubes - IMHO
YJM_Rocks
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Re: EL84s???
Oh, I know what it sounds like cranked up. I used to rehearse with the post volume on 8-10 through a 412 cab. I like the sound of it a lot better when cranked. I am looking for a new amp, but something british voiced. I dunno if a 5150 would please me.
Oh, I know what it sounds like cranked up. I used to rehearse with the post volume on 8-10 through a 412 cab. I like the sound of it a lot better when cranked. I am looking for a new amp, but something british voiced. I dunno if a 5150 would please me.
Fresh_Start
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I tried four or five different sets of EL-84s in my Blues Jr. and was surprised to find I liked the Ei tubes the best (others were Sovtek, Electro Harmonix, and JJ IICRC). Smoother transition to breakup and warm without being muddy. (No problems with microphonics like the horrible Ei 12AX7s.)
Just my opinion and everybody's got one. IME Doug's Tubes is a great place to get a good set for a particular amp, or a specific spot in your amp. Unlike some other vendors, he stocks new tubes from a variety of vendors plus NOS.
HTH
Chip
I tried four or five different sets of EL-84s in my Blues Jr. and was surprised to find I liked the Ei tubes the best (others were Sovtek, Electro Harmonix, and JJ IICRC). Smoother transition to breakup and warm without being muddy. (No problems with microphonics like the horrible Ei 12AX7s.)
Just my opinion and everybody's got one. IME Doug's Tubes is a great place to get a good set for a particular amp, or a specific spot in your amp. Unlike some other vendors, he stocks new tubes from a variety of vendors plus NOS.
HTH
Chip
TattooedCarrot
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I just did a tube change on my TopHat Club Royale. Threw in a pair of new JJ el84's and three new Tungsol 12ax7 reissues (all matched).
Bigger, louder, rounder, slightly stiffer, cleaner. I like what I'm hearing.
I bought them from www.dougstubes.com - fast service, good prices.
I just did a tube change on my TopHat Club Royale. Threw in a pair of new JJ el84's and three new Tungsol 12ax7 reissues (all matched).
Bigger, louder, rounder, slightly stiffer, cleaner. I like what I'm hearing.
I bought them from www.dougstubes.com - fast service, good prices.
beggar_guitar
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Re: EL84s???
Nice thread!
I've been considering re-tubing my Crate VC50 and it's got EL84's.
Nice thread!
I've been considering re-tubing my Crate VC50 and it's got EL84's.
Uk Ant
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If you're into metal you could always try the sovtek 12AX7's in your pre-amp.
to me they're a bit fizzy and harsh but may be just what you're after.
Changing tubes can make allot of difference to the way an amp sounds, decent 12AX7's will probably cost you $10-$20 (they're £5-£10 over in the uk) and changing them could make a heap of difference to your sound. I'd change those before your power amp valves.
Having said that if the sound does change dramatically when you crank it up that's porbably the power amp valves colouring the sound so you can always look into those as well.
If you're into metal you could always try the sovtek 12AX7's in your pre-amp.
to me they're a bit fizzy and harsh but may be just what you're after.
Changing tubes can make allot of difference to the way an amp sounds, decent 12AX7's will probably cost you $10-$20 (they're £5-£10 over in the uk) and changing them could make a heap of difference to your sound. I'd change those before your power amp valves.
Having said that if the sound does change dramatically when you crank it up that's porbably the power amp valves colouring the sound so you can always look into those as well.
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