Emi's Swamp Thang X The Wizard

[Dr.Mavashi]

So I've been going over sound clips at Emi site for weeks, I keep coming back to Swamp Thang and The Wizard. I want really tight thick and BRIGHT low end for palm mutes, very englsque with rammstainish thump of sorts. But I also want very warm and glossy cleans think Richie Blackmore "Catch the Rainbow" and more importantly I want full of mids pick harmonics not over the top highs pick harmonics, not zakkish PHs but more like George Lynch/Criss Oliva, I want as much of a violin in neck SC, think Uli Roth/YJM/Blackmore/Trower. Over all I want it bright and heavy but by no means scooped. I think Swamp thin has it for the most part, but the Wizard has more of that huge tightly defined low end and a bit more open a bit less compressed mids than Swamp Thing. I will run it in a JCM900 4X12 in a X pattern. Main amp would be Laney AOR series one(six knober) eventualy joined by another Laney moded closer to Soldano's avenger circuit or 6L6 power amp fed by AOR's pre-amp as well and ran stereo into the same cab.
Any comments?

 

[pstarove]

Re: Emi's Swamp Thang X The Wizard

Judging by the clips, my favorite Eminence speakers are the Cannabis Rex (very linear bass and mids and smooth highs), the Swamp Thang (a very tasty scoop in the high mids, a great speaker overall) and the Texas Heat (powerful and gritty, it is the Pearly Gates of the speaker world). I didn't like the Wizard at all, it seems like a more middy version of Celestion V30.

 

[Dr.Mavashi]

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Well I want the wizard because I think as phenomenal as Swamp Thang sounds it lack just a bit of "umph" for the pedal notes palm mutes. With that in mind should it be in X pattern or Wizards on the bottom?

 

[drew_half_empty]

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i say go all wizards or go x of swamp & gov

wizard isn't like a more middy v30 at all, it's modeled after a pre rola g12h30, and has inheritly less mids, more lows, and more highs

i've tried all these speakers, owned them for months, and there is nothing tight about the swamp thang, it's capable of more lows than any other guitar speaker out there, the mids are dark & a little recessed, and the highs are chimey but not all that prominent

you'll need gov's or v30's to tighten them up, add some sparkle, add some body to the midrange, and fill out the top a little better

trust me, this is an AWESOME combo. Run it x pattern

or just run 4 wizards like i do, can't go wrong with either, but if you want the huge lows, go with the X

 

[Dr.Mavashi]

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i say go all wizards or go x of swamp & gov

wizard isn't like a more middy v30 at all, it's modeled after a pre rola g12h30, and has inheritly less mids, more lows, and more highs

i've tried all these speakers, owned them for months, and there is nothing tight about the swamp thang, it's capable of more lows than any other guitar speaker out there, the mids are dark & a little recessed, and the highs are chimey but not all that prominent

you'll need gov's or v30's to tighten them up, add some sparkle, add some body to the midrange, and fill out the top a little better

trust me, this is an AWESOME combo. Run it x pattern

or just run 4 wizards like i do, can't go wrong with either, but if you want the huge lows, go with the X

Hmm ... I found Govs kinda blah, on those samples .... Tell me this I have push pull boost on my AOR and when I crank up the amp GT-1275 barely can hold on before they just fart when it come to open E palm muts, the reason I still do it is because in all other areas its sound fantastic, I pull the bass and the Highs live mids on one o'clock un pulled, its great and not scooped that way, how would wizard, govs and swamps hand a pulled pot boost if GT12-75 ??? what I am looking is to tighten that boost up ...

 

[drew_half_empty]

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yeah those clips aren't 100% accurate

the gov is basically a v30 without the high mid spike, you can't really tell that from the clips

but i think that X could handle it, the swamp has deep enough lows to not be affected by it, and the gov is tight enough to not be affected either

the wizard has more lows than a 75 but i can't guarantee anything

plus the SPL is the same on givs & swamps, so it's almost a given to mix them

 

[Dr.Mavashi]

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Believe it or not but I can jump around this different tones with my strat and Spina TS9
into AOR, so I am looking for help from the speakers.

This is the typa of palm muted pedal notes tone I looking for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejRgZkQ9kbA&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scaL22Qz9LY

This is the pick harmonic sound I am after.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81cbW-NBA50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNjaN_89VW8

This is the typa of single coil pick up in the neck tone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e5072S-hBg&mode=related&search=

This are the typa cleans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV8x2HKTRdM&mode=related&search=live concert

 

[drew_half_empty]

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yeah those all pretty much sound like v30's

if you mix with swamps you can expect it to sound a lot fuller in the lows & a little smoother in the mids than all v30's

mixed with the AOR i think you'd be happy with that X, especially if you run a TS a lot

 

[Dr.Mavashi]

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Yo Drew, still think that I need an X of Swamps and Govs? Still runnin this 4 wizards yourself? I might pulll the triger on rebuilding my cab this year finaly.

 

[drew_half_empty]

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yeah i'm still runnin the 4 wizards & love it. I'm either gonna buy another 4x12 soon or an AOR, but if i go with the cab it's gonna have wizards

here's what i think

if you want tightness go with all govs or v30's. They won't fart out. Tight lows, good cleans, lots of mids, tight chimey highs, industry standard blah blah blah

if you want looser & deeper lows than all v30's with tons of low mids & lows you didn't even know existed with good mids & decent high end go with govs/v30's and swamps

if you want good lows, complex mids & prominent brit high end go with all wizards

if you want just a little more lows & highs than all v30's but wanna keep the v30 flavor there, go with an x of wizards/govs

go play a marshall cab loaded with v30's and your head/guitar and use that as a reference point

 

[kevlar3000]

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I ended up ditching my Wizard and keeping my Swampy. I like big round tones and found the Wizard too brite and buzzy on the treble side. Not a horrible sound, but not my flavor anymore.

Love the Swamp in an open back cab, have in it an old Gibson 2/12 and it sounds great.

 

[drew_half_empty]

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yeah i never tried it in open back

just closed back 2x12 and Xed with v30's in 4x12's

 

[Dr.Mavashi]

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Thanks dudes. Drew, Kevlar, can we have some clips ???? )

 

[Dr.Mavashi]

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The tones I am after have changed a bit .... cant decide between all Govs or all Wizards in 4X12

 

[drew_half_empty]

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dude, it's been like 8 months, just get yourself some **** wizards

they're called wizards, therefore they must rule


find a flaw in that logic

 

[Dr.Mavashi]

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dude, it's been like 8 months, just get yourself some **** wizards

they're called wizards, therefore they must rule


find a flaw in that logic

I have to say .. its flawless .. I've been listening to the clips all day ... kinda wanna tryt the X of govs and wizards ...

 

[drew_half_empty]

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other guitarist in my band has that

i use all wizards

his is more buzzy in the mids where as mine is more chill & organic

it's kinda like comparing a '59 and a pearly gates. That's the closest thing i could compare it to

 

[jerryjg]

Re: Emi's Swamp Thang X The Wizard

i say go all wizards or go x of swamp & gov

wizard isn't like a more middy v30 at all, it's modeled after a pre rola g12h30, and has inheritly less mids, more lows, and more highs

i've tried all these speakers, owned them for months, and there is nothing tight about the swamp thang, it's capable of more lows than any other guitar speaker out there, the mids are dark & a little recessed, and the highs are chimey but not all that prominent

you'll need gov's or v30's to tighten them up, add some sparkle, add some body to the midrange, and fill out the top a little better

trust me, this is an AWESOME combo. Run it x pattern

or just run 4 wizards like i do, can't go wrong with either, but if you want the huge lows, go with the X

hpow are the highs on those Wizards? Can they get so aggressive they get icepicky?

 

[drew_half_empty]

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it's possible, but you have to try to do it

my settings on my traynor are usually bass maxed, mids around noon or 2:00, treble at noon, and presence at around 9:00, not very high

if i dimed the treble knob yeah it'd sound too trebly

and if i dimed the presence it'd prolly sound like crap too

but i mean... that's kind of a given

 

[Dr.Mavashi]

Re: Emi's Swamp Thang X The Wizard

Drew,
I think I clearly like the Wizard better than Gov. What do you think of Xing Wizard with Black Powder?