Enjoying the tone befefits of an unfinished guitar

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I remember back in about 1987-ish when Warwick were first importing Basses to the UK that the instruments were simply waxed.
They used woods such as Bubinga and Wenge which were exotic and unusual at the time.
As far as I know, they were supplied with a can of beeswax to maintain the finish.
Going off topic a little I have some bedroom furniture that I bought about 10 years ago that was simply given a beeswax finish and nothing has warped, split, shrunk or cracked.
 
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I have a Precision Guitar Kits custom 54 Les Paul build that I left raw except for rubbing orange oil onto. The guitar feels and sounds excellent.
 
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And this is from the same people that say removing the back cover has no effect on tone? Smh.
 
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I use beeswax on the back of my maple neck (no hard finish). I re-apply it once a year, after sanding it down. If feels great!
 
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Finish has no effect on the tone of a solid body. Why would it?

People talk about it stopping vibrations, but that’s not how guitars work, and the mass of the finish is negligible

I’ve played guitars I built before and after finishing. No difference in the tone.

And finish does protect the wood. Wood is hygroscopic. It absorbs moisture. You can see this for yourself when your fretboard shrinks in dry winter weather and your fret ends poke out.

If you sanded off any finish you probably removed some wood, which might account for a small difference in tone. But I think it’s all in the imagination.


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I remember back in about 1987-ish when Warwick were first importing Basses to the UK that the instruments were simply waxed.
They used woods such as Bubinga and Wenge which were exotic and unusual at the time.
As far as I know, they were supplied with a can of beeswax to maintain the finish.
Going off topic a little I have some bedroom furniture that I bought about 10 years ago that was simply given a beeswax finish and nothing has warped, split, shrunk or cracked.

Beeswax fills in pores in the wood, stopping body oils, dirt, and humidity from being absorbed.
 
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The neck got gunky after about 8 months and I sanded it lightly and it's fine.

Ultimately, it's your guitar. Do with it as you will, but I don't see how a light coat of oil, wax, or even shellac/nitro would stop a guitar from sounding good.
 
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Well, they certainly didn't leave the factory that way.....affinity necks have a finish on them for sure.

Yes Alex. Musician's Friend, Sweetwater, and Chicago Music Exchange spent 6 hours sanding the necks of a $200 guitar because they wanted to destroy their whole profit margin.
 
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Finish has no effect on the tone of a solid body. Why would it?

Because the acoustic properties of electric guitars have a noticeable effect on their amplified tone. Either the acoustic differences of the guitar are represented in the strings and the pickups read that, or the pickups read some directly from the guitar, or both.
 
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Ultimately, it's your guitar. Do with it as you will, but I don't see how a light coat of oil, wax, or even shellac/nitro would stop a guitar from sounding good.

I no want.
 
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u need halp.

Think about it, if the acoustic properties of the wood have such a large effect on the tone that the paint on the wood has an effect on tone, the back cover would have a larger affect. Sound waves being trapped in the back cavity of the guitar should make a bigger deal than a fraction of a percent change in resonance due to paint.

But everyone thinks the finish is important yet nobody seems to believe the back covers make a difference.
 
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Think about it, if the acoustic properties of the wood have such a large effect on the tone that the paint on the wood has an effect on tone, the back cover would have a larger affect. Sound waves being trapped in the back cavity of the guitar should make a bigger deal than a fraction of a percent change in resonance due to paint.

But everyone thinks the finish is important yet nobody seems to believe the back covers make a difference.

It's possible! I noticed a huge difference in tone when I had my pickups in my Mustang mounted in giant holes in the pickguard so I could adjust the location of the pickups.
 
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I think the cover is something that has a lot more effect on unplugged tone than plugged. It can certainly cause the string to project differently unplugged but I'm doubtful from experience that it has a significant effect on the vibrating energy of the string pickups get. Finish... IDK.
 
Enjoying the tone befefits of an unfinished guitar

Because the acoustic properties of electric guitars have a noticeable effect on their amplified tone. Either the acoustic differences of the guitar are represented in the strings and the pickups read that, or the pickups read some directly from the guitar, or both.

But paint doesn’t change the acoustic properties. Explain how it would.

Now you’re probably going to say it damps vibrations. That’s doubtful. You can test that by playing your guitar while plugged in without your body touching it, and then lay it across your chest and see if the tone changes as it does on an acoustic. It doesn’t. You can also cover the body in blue painter’s tape. Hear any change? Nope. Finish has about the same mass.

Also the finish is hard and vibrates along with everything else.

Next let’s look at why you DON’T want the body vibrating; the reason why solid bodies exist was the quest for more sustain and resistance to feedback. How does it accomplish this?

On any stringed instrument you have a rigid frame that the strings are stretched across. You want this frame to be stiff. On an electric guitar this is the neck and body.

A large part of the tonality of the guitar comes from the neck. A hard, stiff wood like maple will sound brighter than something softer like mahogany or even basswood. A hard heavy body also sounds brighter than a light soft body. But this isn’t an acoustic quality, since the instrument produces very little sound acoustically.

So what’s going on is you pluck a string which puts energy into it. On a very stiff frame, like a steel bar, the string would vibrate for a long time. This is because very little energy is leaving the string.

So let’s compare a Les Paul and a banjo. On the LP, the body has a lot of mass. The vibrating strings don’t transfer much energy to the body, so more stays in the string. This gives you a very long sustain but very little acoustic output.

Now take the banjo. It’s very easy to excite the drum head. So most of the string’s energy is converted to a loud acoustic output. But then you get very little sustain.

So whenever people are talking about couplings the vibrations from the strings to the body, they act like this is somehow adding energy to the strings. It’s actually doing the opposite. And for a solid body you want to keep the energy in the string.

But of course some energy gets absorbed by the flexing of the neck and into vibrating the body. This happens in a non uniform way. It’s frequency dependent. So a light soft wood will accentuate the lows and absorb some highs, and you get a “warm” tone. A hard heavy body like maple has a higher mechanical impedance. So it sounds brighter since the body has less influence on the strings/tone.

Now think about what a very thin layer of paint would do? Look at drum heads. They paint those.


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