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Epiphone Les Pauls
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Jessie Sammler
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Are you trying to tell me that the Washburn Idol is not, in fact, some sort of American Idol signature instrument? I am incredulous to say the least. Isn't there a version with a Justin and Kelly graphic, or was that just a limited run?
For the price though and unless you don't particularly care about the shape, aside from the Tempest that you already mentioned I'd also check one of these first instead:
Washburn Idol
Are you trying to tell me that the Washburn Idol is not, in fact, some sort of American Idol signature instrument? I am incredulous to say the least. Isn't there a version with a Justin and Kelly graphic, or was that just a limited run?
blueman335
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One could argue that we ought to put more desire & effort into playing & practicing, and not worry so much about the tools. Music is in the hands & head. Play some amazing things things with your fingers, and no one cares what name is on the headstock. You can't spend your way to playing with feeling & inspiration. The only thing holding you back is yourself, not the gear.
One could argue that we ought to put more desire & effort into playing & practicing, and not worry so much about the tools. Music is in the hands & head. Play some amazing things things with your fingers, and no one cares what name is on the headstock. You can't spend your way to playing with feeling & inspiration. The only thing holding you back is yourself, not the gear.
KeeperOS
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Re: Epiphone Les Pauls
the Idol is Washburn's take on the single cut.
Yeah there is a USA version as well as several signature ones although the one picktured here actually has a MSRP of 559$ (which is why I chose it).
The one you describe must have been of the artwork series or even a limited run, Washburn is well known for this, they'll make pretty much any version asked if enough units are ordered (by a music store for instance).
They even did a limited run of a slightly modified Nick Catanesse's signature Idol for as US seller (I forget which).
the Idol is Washburn's take on the single cut.
Yeah there is a USA version as well as several signature ones although the one picktured here actually has a MSRP of 559$ (which is why I chose it).
The one you describe must have been of the artwork series or even a limited run, Washburn is well known for this, they'll make pretty much any version asked if enough units are ordered (by a music store for instance).
They even did a limited run of a slightly modified Nick Catanesse's signature Idol for as US seller (I forget which).
Stratman
Guitaris Maximus
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Gibson own that factory...
Lacquer - invented by the Chinese!
It's not that cheap plastic decal used by Koreans (Zakk Wylde Bullseye Les Paul Custom) bull's eye copy that was out in 2002~2007)
Gibson own that factory...
Lacquer - invented by the Chinese!
It's not that cheap plastic decal used by Koreans (Zakk Wylde Bullseye Les Paul Custom) bull's eye copy that was out in 2002~2007)
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Jessie Sammler
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We've had this conversation before, Blue, or something like it. I'm not talking about brand names and headstocks; I'm talking about tone and feel. Further, I'm differentiating them from the things that a guitarist does right or wrong while playing the instrument. There is always room for improvement in our playing, and it's always possible to squeeze more tone out of what you have. What if you picked up a different instrument and found it was easier to get/do what you wanted, and that the things you were already doing right just sounded better? What if you spent two weeks sanding down your guitar, to find out that it now knocks your socks off, and you can't put it down? Blue, I agree that we hold ourselves back, but I also think our equipment can be a little guilty of that, too.
We've had this conversation before, Blue, or something like it. I'm not talking about brand names and headstocks; I'm talking about tone and feel. Further, I'm differentiating them from the things that a guitarist does right or wrong while playing the instrument. There is always room for improvement in our playing, and it's always possible to squeeze more tone out of what you have. What if you picked up a different instrument and found it was easier to get/do what you wanted, and that the things you were already doing right just sounded better? What if you spent two weeks sanding down your guitar, to find out that it now knocks your socks off, and you can't put it down? Blue, I agree that we hold ourselves back, but I also think our equipment can be a little guilty of that, too.
Stratman
Guitaris Maximus
Re: Epiphone Les Pauls
BTW- There's another post on a Gibson SG with a broken neck. SO much for one piece necks - Les Pauls and SG have the same problem, yet when you view the youtube gibson plant video, Gibson brags on their one-piece neck.
Wood - Gibson was just raided by federal officials for importing prohibited wood.
Your guys that hype Gibson and fools who are falling into the Gibson marketing hype.
I remember when Les Pauls in the 1960's were selling for 240~250 US$ and Gibson stopped making them.
It's hype like the crap your stating on this and other sites, as well as marketing from Guitar Center, Musicians Friends, ads purchased in guitar magazines that keeps Gibson (And MIA Fender) prices up.
Wise up, play the guitar acoustically and if it has good tone than the rest about who made it is not important.
For the electronics - if Gibson is so great, then why has Seymour Duncan been able to stay in business - I will tell you why, Seymour makes a better product and serves his market, keeping prices in the proper price range rather than hyping his products.
Finally, a bad guitar player will not make you guitar sound any better - get out the guitars and practice...
BTW- There's another post on a Gibson SG with a broken neck. SO much for one piece necks - Les Pauls and SG have the same problem, yet when you view the youtube gibson plant video, Gibson brags on their one-piece neck.
Wood - Gibson was just raided by federal officials for importing prohibited wood.
Your guys that hype Gibson and fools who are falling into the Gibson marketing hype.
I remember when Les Pauls in the 1960's were selling for 240~250 US$ and Gibson stopped making them.
It's hype like the crap your stating on this and other sites, as well as marketing from Guitar Center, Musicians Friends, ads purchased in guitar magazines that keeps Gibson (And MIA Fender) prices up.
Wise up, play the guitar acoustically and if it has good tone than the rest about who made it is not important.
For the electronics - if Gibson is so great, then why has Seymour Duncan been able to stay in business - I will tell you why, Seymour makes a better product and serves his market, keeping prices in the proper price range rather than hyping his products.
Finally, a bad guitar player will not make you guitar sound any better - get out the guitars and practice...
zerosturm
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Re: Epiphone Les Pauls
Heres .02 cents from someone that doesnt comment very much on things here. I usually come to read and get some info from posts etc but this time I would like to say a few things. First there are good and bad Epiphones and Gibsons. I have owned several Gibson Les Pauls and just recently bought my first Epiphone Les Paul---just got a Epiphone Les Paul Tribute last week. Like I said I have owned good and bad Gibson Les Pauls, the only poor one was a Gibson Les Paul Special from like 2003-04 somewhere in there and Im pretty positive it was just a lemon it happens.
Gibson wins hands down on finish and overall quality. The Epiphone has some pretty obvious issues . I wont get into everything but there are a few issues with the finish and the inlays being a bit sloppy. The neck is quite comfortable(Asymetrical Profile) and overall the sound is not bad; surprise thats because it came stock with Gibson 57 pickups.
Now on price if you cant afford a Gibson an Epiphone will get you very close with some changes which many people have mentioned and will probably cost you half as much. The Epiphone cost me about $600-700 less than most Gibsons i have owned.
Heres .02 cents from someone that doesnt comment very much on things here. I usually come to read and get some info from posts etc but this time I would like to say a few things. First there are good and bad Epiphones and Gibsons. I have owned several Gibson Les Pauls and just recently bought my first Epiphone Les Paul---just got a Epiphone Les Paul Tribute last week. Like I said I have owned good and bad Gibson Les Pauls, the only poor one was a Gibson Les Paul Special from like 2003-04 somewhere in there and Im pretty positive it was just a lemon it happens.
Gibson wins hands down on finish and overall quality. The Epiphone has some pretty obvious issues . I wont get into everything but there are a few issues with the finish and the inlays being a bit sloppy. The neck is quite comfortable(Asymetrical Profile) and overall the sound is not bad; surprise thats because it came stock with Gibson 57 pickups.
Now on price if you cant afford a Gibson an Epiphone will get you very close with some changes which many people have mentioned and will probably cost you half as much. The Epiphone cost me about $600-700 less than most Gibsons i have owned.
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Jessie Sammler
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Re: Epiphone Les Pauls
How did you know I've been auditioning bad guitar players to play my guitars for me? :lmao:
How did you know I've been auditioning bad guitar players to play my guitars for me? :lmao:
Stratman
Guitaris Maximus
Re: Epiphone Les Pauls
Word has been around since you first picked up a guitar.... LOL
Word has been around since you first picked up a guitar.... LOL
RLee
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Re: Epiphone Les Pauls
Don't forget the Michael Kelly Patriot models (Supreme or Decree are most LP-like models), as someone already mentioned... these are quite nice. And that new Gibson LP Studio Deluxe is very nice. Then there's the ebay/used market, which has been very active lately with good prices.
Don't forget the Michael Kelly Patriot models (Supreme or Decree are most LP-like models), as someone already mentioned... these are quite nice. And that new Gibson LP Studio Deluxe is very nice. Then there's the ebay/used market, which has been very active lately with good prices.
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That is a whole other story with the amps, I have to decide which amp. ha ha
I am looking at the Vox Night train or the Orange Tiny Terror or go for broke and get Marshall or Mesa
That is a whole other story with the amps, I have to decide which amp. ha ha
I am looking at the Vox Night train or the Orange Tiny Terror or go for broke and get Marshall or Mesa
KeeperOS
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Re: Epiphone Les Pauls
This is my Michael Kelly, she cost me about 550€ (I'm guessing that would translate to about that amount in USDs in the US) and I'm being completely honest when I say that I wouldn't trade her for ten Gibsons.
I REALLY like her.
Now, like I said, the Tempest, the Solo-6, the Idol, all of them are top notch guitars (and not just for the money), it's just that, in my case, the Patriot Limited had all the characteristics I found desirable in an LP while at the same time had all the (IMO) improvements I wanted over the original. Your mileage may vary.
I would again strongly suggest you go out and try a couple of each, see which you'll like the best, then get that. No names, no shapes, recognizable or otherwise, just see what you like
This is my Michael Kelly, she cost me about 550€ (I'm guessing that would translate to about that amount in USDs in the US) and I'm being completely honest when I say that I wouldn't trade her for ten Gibsons.
I REALLY like her.
Now, like I said, the Tempest, the Solo-6, the Idol, all of them are top notch guitars (and not just for the money), it's just that, in my case, the Patriot Limited had all the characteristics I found desirable in an LP while at the same time had all the (IMO) improvements I wanted over the original. Your mileage may vary.
I would again strongly suggest you go out and try a couple of each, see which you'll like the best, then get that. No names, no shapes, recognizable or otherwise, just see what you like
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Looks nice. I think I will decide once I go to the store.
HOpe can find a nice guitar.
This is my Michael Kelly, she cost me about 550€ (I'm guessing that would translate to about that amount in USDs in the US) and I'm being completely honest when I say that I wouldn't trade her for ten Gibsons.
I REALLY like her.
Now, like I said, the Tempest, the Solo-6, the Idol, all of them are top notch guitars (and not just for the money), it's just that, in my case, the Patriot Limited had all the characteristics I found desirable in an LP while at the same time had all the (IMO) improvements I wanted over the original. Your mileage may vary.
I would again strongly suggest you go out and try a couple of each, see which you'll like the best, then get that. No names, no shapes, recognizable or otherwise, just see what you like
Looks nice. I think I will decide once I go to the store.
HOpe can find a nice guitar.
RLee
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Re: Epiphone Les Pauls
Looks very cool. I like having a volume control for each pickup, though... even if they share a tone control, I like being able to blend neck/bridge differently, rather than just having it always preset at 50/50, or however it's done on a guitar like this with only one volume for two pickups.
This is my Michael Kelly, she cost me about 550€ (I'm guessing that would translate to about that amount in USDs in the US) and I'm being completely honest when I say that I wouldn't trade her for ten Gibsons.
I REALLY like her.
Now, like I said, the Tempest, the Solo-6, the Idol, all of them are top notch guitars (and not just for the money), it's just that, in my case, the Patriot Limited had all the characteristics I found desirable in an LP while at the same time had all the (IMO) improvements I wanted over the original. Your mileage may vary.
I would again strongly suggest you go out and try a couple of each, see which you'll like the best, then get that. No names, no shapes, recognizable or otherwise, just see what you like
Looks very cool. I like having a volume control for each pickup, though... even if they share a tone control, I like being able to blend neck/bridge differently, rather than just having it always preset at 50/50, or however it's done on a guitar like this with only one volume for two pickups.
theboatcandream
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Re: Epiphone Les Pauls
The neck/headstock area is weak because of how much the headstock tilts back, because the area is not reinforced and also partly because of the one piece neck. It's true it would be stronger if the headstock was a separate piece using a scarf joint, but the design is still flawed from a durability standpoint. An Epiphone as far as I know is still flawed in that regard as well.
Whether or not an Epiphone is more durable at all doesn't make it a better guitar. Your point about the acoustic tone only reinforces the point so many of us are making - when is the last time you found an Epiphone that had a rich acoustic tone?
Electronics-wise your point is irrelevant, we are all fans of Seymour Duncan but they don't make guitars and changing the pickups in a guitar doesn't make the guitar bad in any way. Besides, all the high end Epiphones use Gibson pickups.
Let me clue you in on something, you haven't uncovered some great mystery, it's not a scam or some marketing hype that makes Gibsons more expensive than Epiphones. It's because they're better guitars.
To repeat theboatcandream, you're rambling.
The neck/headstock area is weak because of how much the headstock tilts back, because the area is not reinforced and also partly because of the one piece neck. It's true it would be stronger if the headstock was a separate piece using a scarf joint, but the design is still flawed from a durability standpoint. An Epiphone as far as I know is still flawed in that regard as well.
Whether or not an Epiphone is more durable at all doesn't make it a better guitar. Your point about the acoustic tone only reinforces the point so many of us are making - when is the last time you found an Epiphone that had a rich acoustic tone?
Electronics-wise your point is irrelevant, we are all fans of Seymour Duncan but they don't make guitars and changing the pickups in a guitar doesn't make the guitar bad in any way. Besides, all the high end Epiphones use Gibson pickups.
Let me clue you in on something, you haven't uncovered some great mystery, it's not a scam or some marketing hype that makes Gibsons more expensive than Epiphones. It's because they're better guitars.
To repeat theboatcandream, you're rambling.
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