Epiphone Les Pauls

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Why should someone pay an extra $2000.00 for a difference that is so negligible there are about 4 pages of posts on this thread alone, so far from both sides of the argument? Not counting all past similar threads... Give me a break... Most people have families to support.... Most great players in history played whatever they could their hands on... Sorry... but all you "visual" tone snobs out there really need to get past the label and better in touch with reality.

The difference isn't negligible.

If you're playing live, with a great amp, lots of effect, and distortion, the difference is lessened.
 
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RIGHT! You know a lot about nothing...

An SG is not a Les Paul.

Never argue with a 21 year old know it all

Just because I own an SG doesn't mean I haven't played enough Les Pauls to know the difference between a Gibson and an Epiphone blindfolded. I guess I should have known better than to argue with someone in China who can't even get their hands on a real Gibson.
 
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I have several American made guitars, and I appreciate quality and reliability. I went out shopping for a short-scale / 2 humbucker guitar a year or two ago (a Les Paul or a 335, basically). Money wasn't a big factor. I would have spent 4-digit money.

I bought an Epiphone Dot Studio brand new off the rack for $269.

Now, if you know anything about sociology, and have thought about why people react the way they do to different things, you will have learned that the priming is as important as the actual experience.

For example, my brother-in-law hates Japanese cars --- he's a Georgia boy and Japanese cars were a cultural no-no in his family and in his culture. I grew up with a Honda in the driveway my whole life, so I was alright with them.

My brother-in-law was primed to dislike them, and I was primed to like them.

In 2007, both of our wives got 2007 Honda Civic sedans, within a few months of each other - basically at the same time.

Well, on both cars, the driver's side visor broke within 6 months.

Brother-in-law's reaction: "these cars are pieces of ****."
My reaction: "better the visor than the rod bearings. This is forgiveable."

In 2008 a TSB came out that said the rear control arms needed to be replaced on Civic sedans. They had a warping problem and would cause excessive tire wear. Brother-in-law knew about it and took a road trip before fixing it, thinking "how bad can it be?" They had to replace the rear tires on the trip, an inconvenience and an unexpected cost. I took our Civic to the dealership and dropped it off to get the control arms replaced. I got it back a few hours later, no charges, all fixed, and they even washed the car and cleaned the interior.

Brother-in-law's experience: "Piece of **** Honda failed again, I will never buy a Honda again."
My experience: "Stuff like this happens with cars - got a letter in the mail, took it in, no big deal."

He and I had the exact same problems, in the exact same timeframe. He hates their Civic, and I love ours.

If you buy an Epiphone and are primed with the idea that it's substandard instrument, you'll convert any shortcoming to resent.
If you buy an Epiphone and are primed with the idea that it's a good value for what you get, you'll convert any shortcomings to "well, duh."

Back to my $269 Dot Studio - the pickups were not great, the switch failed, the jack stayed loose, the bridge wouldn't intonate.
If I were primed to dislike it; I would say, "welp, I'll never buy an Epiphone again."
I wasn't. Here's what I did:

I put a $30 bridge on it, scored awesome pickups for $60 used, spent $10 at Stew-Mac getting a new nut, pickup rings, switch, and jack. That's $100, for those of you counting. I slapped all that stuff on it.

Now I have a guitar with hand-picked components, installed with care, attention, and skill by an American (me), a top-notch bridge, Burstbucker Pros, Graphtech nut, Switchcraft components, yada, yada.

Grand total: $369. And it's solid as a rock, set up perfectly, and plays and sounds like hot fudge on a conveyor belt.

If you're primed to hate it because it says Epiphone on the 'stock, you'll hate it.

If you're primed to know you'll upgrade some stuff and come out hugely "on-top" money-wise, you'll love it.

-Hunter
 
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I guess I should have known better than to argue with someone in China who can't even get their hands on a real Gibson.

Hey, that's really an arrogant thing to say, and has no place on this forum. This is a place to talk, not argue guys.
 
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A lot of people just want to be taken seriously though, and they feel that having a name-brand guitar like Gibson or Martin will accomplish that.

True, but people forget that they'll be taken a lot more seriously if their playing is creative and inspired. The crowd should be watching your fingers, not the headstock.

It backfires too; I've seen mediocre players on stage with high-end gear that were made fun of because their playing wasn't up to the level of their equipment. If you show up to a gig or jam with five thousand dollars worth of guitar and amp, you're drawing attention to yourself, and if the guy next to you plays significantly better with a $500 import guitar, you're going to look pretty stupid to every musician in the place. And let me assure you, owning expensive gear doesn't necessarily mean you have any idea how to get good tones from it. My approach is 'under-promise and over-deliver.' Humility goes a long ways.
 
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True, but people forget that they'll be taken a lot more seriously if their playing is creative and inspired. The crowd should be watching your fingers, not the headstock.

It backfires too; I've seen mediocre players on stage with high-end gear that were made fun of because their playing wasn't up to the level of their equipment. If you show up to a gig or jam with five thousand dollars worth of guitar and amp, you're drawing attention to yourself, and if the guy next to you plays significantly better with a $500 import guitar, you're going to look pretty stupid to every musician in the place. And let me assure you, owning expensive gear doesn't necessarily mean you have any idea how to get good tones from it. My approach is 'under-promise and over-deliver.' Humility goes a long ways.

Could not have been said better. well done sir!
 
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I just finished modifying my latest acquisition, a 2008 Epiphone Les Paul Custom. I bought it cheap with the intention of modifying it, and I'm pretty happy with the results...

First I gutted it and removed the pickguard. Then I shielded all the body cavities with copper foil. Installed a Seymour Duncan APH-1n Alnico II Pro Neck Humbucker and a Seymour Duncan TB-59-1b ’59 Bridge Trembucker. Four CTS 500k Audio potentiometers and a Treble Bleed Modification for each volume control. Russian K40Y-9 Paper-In-Oil 0.022µF (Bridge pickup) & 0.015µF (Neck pickup) 400V Tone Capacitors. Four Standard Black Speed Control Knob with four Knob Position Indicator Pointers. A Switchcraft 3-Way Toggle Switch. A Switchcraft 1/4" Output Jack with gold plated square jack-plate. Gotoh Tune-O-Matic Bridge & Gotoh Zinc Stopbar Tailpiece. And finally two Schaller Strap Buttons. The only thing I kept are the Grover tuners that work perfectly well. Originally I had planned on having two gold plated pickup covers, but found that it sounded better without them.

Now, with all that time and money she's still not as good as a Gibson... But she makes a really good secondary guitar!

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Yall don't see me in here b!tchin about anything.

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However, three of the Epiphones are gone now and I've added another Gibson.
 
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True, but people forget that they'll be taken a lot more seriously if their playing is creative and inspired. The crowd should be watching your fingers, not the headstock.

It backfires too; I've seen mediocre players on stage with high-end gear that were made fun of because their playing wasn't up to the level of their equipment. If you show up to a gig or jam with five thousand dollars worth of guitar and amp, you're drawing attention to yourself, and if the guy next to you plays significantly better with a $500 import guitar, you're going to look pretty stupid to every musician in the place. And let me assure you, owning expensive gear doesn't necessarily mean you have any idea how to get good tones from it. My approach is 'under-promise and over-deliver.' Humility goes a long ways.

I think you're giving too much credit to the average audience.
 
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Just because I own an SG doesn't mean I haven't played enough Les Pauls to know the difference between a Gibson and an Epiphone blindfolded. I guess I should have known better than to argue with someone in China who can't even get their hands on a real Gibson.

This is stupid, since you do not know that I actual own several Gibson Les Pauls and have an extensive collection....

BTW - I am in Hong Kong and travel all over the far east, your position is laughable since you post from a position of a distinct lack of true knowledge...

Ibanez - Made where???
 
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Yall don't see me in here b!tchin about anything.

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However, three of the Epiphones are gone now and I've added another Gibson.

I have Jolly's old Epiphone, it's the second one on the left side.

But now it has a cream set of matched Phat Staples (Seymour Duncan) pups installed in it.
 
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I LOVE my Gibby LP DeLuxe and I wouldn't trade it for anything I think it will always be #1 for me........But I'm also a huge Schecter Tempest fan I've owned 3 and the Quality & Playability has CONSISTANTLY been EXCELLENT Mine were "customs" w/ tapable duncan designed which sounded great ...now I just have an old odball tempest beater that plays so well I just can't bring myself to sell it....I would play one and see what you think but if you buy an import, these are hard to beat (imo).....BTW new "2nds" can be had on ebay for less than 400 shipped! good luck!
 
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The difference isn't negligible.

If you're playing live, with a great amp, lots of effect, and distortion, the difference is lessened.

That extra 2K will you a pretty nice tube amp and perhaps a second EPI Les Paul as a spare as well. The difference can not be that huge.... or there would be no argument here or anywhere.

Now if you have money for both... go ahead and get the Gibson.....
 
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For a little more than an Epi will cost, you can pick up a Studio, XR-1, BFG or any number of "pre-owned" Gibsons.

Nothing against Epiphones, Schecters or any other "copies", but as someone who had Epi and continued to want the "Gibson" and finally did get one...to me...it made every bit of difference having what I truly wanted...the "real deal".

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This is stupid, since you do not know that I actual own several Gibson Les Pauls and have an extensive collection....

BTW - I am in Hong Kong and travel all over the far east, your position is laughable since you post from a position of a distinct lack of true knowledge...

Ibanez - Made where???

What I said was not at all different from you assuming I don't know anything because of my age. I've been playing guitar for 8 years, most people I went to school with played guitar and I hung out in guitar shops a lot. I've seen enough to form an opinion. You were the first to attempt to discredit my post by attacking me.
 
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I would love to see a blind comparison and see if we could pick out which one is the Gibson and which one is the Epi. Anyone have both that can hook this up? Needs to be the same everything and the only difference is the guitar.
 
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