Epiphone LP's and woods...

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theboatcandream said:
Hmm, "mat" does suggest "material". I didn't think of it that way.

I'll disagree with you on tone woods and pickup selection though. The wood a guitar is made from has a large impact on its tone. Knowing which woods you like is a useful tool in shopping for guitars given all the options out there, especially when it comes to Warmoth or USACustom type deals.

Ok what I'm trying to say is if when you bought the guitar it felt and sounded great, what difference does it make (after you bought it) what its made of?
You bought the guitar. No one knows more than I that wood and pups contribute to the tone. And I wasn't implying that we were ignorant in the 70's about stuff its just that it didn't matter too much as it does now
Rock on and Peace out
 
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I have 7 Epiphone Les Pauls and they're all mahogany. They were all built before 2002 also.
 
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JOLLY said:
I have 7 Epiphone Les Pauls and they're all mahogany. They were all built before 2002 also.


I just have one. It's maple neck, mahogany body, and an alder cap with a flame maple veneer. Mine is 2001.
 
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theboatcandream said:
Often, it's a simple case of looking inside the neck cavity. Sometimes you have to do some sanding if it's a solid finish.

I was more or less making a general statement. I know how to tell. Thanks tho! I can see in mine that the top is thin. I figured that going in.

My Epi is a 1999.
 
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aestus said:
Pre 1998 foreign made Epiphone (budget) Lespauls were made with 4 pieces of solid mahogany glued together as opposed to one solid mahogany piece. This allows for cheaper costs on wood. The top was usually a 2 piece maple cap with a thin solid maple veneer on top of the cap to make it look like it was one piece.

Afterwards, Epiphone started making Alder/mahogany guitars. This is a type of alder - mahogany layered wood thats kinda like plywood. They sandwich a bunch of layers of mahogany with alder together and pressure compress them into a solid piece of wood. It's not exactly glued plywood, but it is layers of both woods compressed into each other. Once compressed, it's very hard to tell that the wood is actually comprised of layers of alder and mahogany compressed together. If you look closely on the back of the Epi Les Pauls, you can see the layers of the wood. At first initial glance it will look like a solid piece of mahogany, but depending on how the wood is cut, you can see layers of distinctly different wood grains meshed together.

Again, this is not your typical glued layers of alder and mahogany plywood. Instead it's layers of alder and mahogany pressure compressed into each other. The grain of both woods become intermeshed and it's really hard to see the actual layers. In some cases, it's undetectable depending on how they cut the slab of wood.

Epiphone still uses a 1/4" slab of maple for their caps. Sometimes you'll luck out and get a solid maple cap, Usually the caps are 3 - 4 pieces glued together. To hide this, they will use a very thin maple veneer on top to hide this. Once this is glued, it's impossible to detect unless you view the underside of the maple cap. This is how they can sell their LP copies with quilted and flamed maple tops for so cheap. The flamed and quilted maple top is actually a thin veneer that is glued on top of a normal maple cap.


Tom

How do you know all this? Some things make sense but I'm not shure about the pressed together thing. I'd say that would be a more expensive proces than using cheap lower grade wood glued together?
 
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A favorite past time of mine is restoring trashy guitars back into playable beasts. Occasionally I'll get my hands on an epi LP that I will strip. I even choped one in half with an axe. A luthier on the Epiphone forums confirmed this for me a while back.

But you don't have to do all of that to see the pressed woods.. I have a 1998 Epiphone Les Paul Standard Limited with a flamed maple top. You can clearly see the layers of alder and mahogany sandwiched together on the back of my LP. Instead of flatsawing the meshed wood for the back, they seemed to have quatersawn the wood for the back of my LP so the layers run lengthwise across the back of my LP. It is very noticable in mine. I'm sure people have complained and so they've found ways to cut the wood to better hide the layers.

I did come across a 2003 epi les paul over the weekend that didn't seem to use the sandwiched alder/mahogany ply. It was instead 2 cheap grade mahogany pieces glued together (took me hours to find the seams) and an alder top with the maple veneer on top, so it looks like Epiphone has changed their manufacturing of these guitars again.

The more expensive limited models of epiphones have slightly better woods and quality.

For the money, I'd buy an Agile LP clone or from a different manufacturer. Agile LP's are about 1/2 to 1/4 the price of current epiphones, and they come stock with grover tuners and a real bone nut.

tom
 
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theboatcandream said:
I have two epiphones. One is a "korina" explorer with a maple neck, and the body is mahogany or agathis. One person identified it as agathis, another person didn't identify it as mahogany, I think it could be mahogany.

The other is a 7 string les paul with a maple neck, mahogany back, and alder cap.

I've seen a few in stores with alder backs.


The 7 string LP have light weight 2 piece mahogany body & neck with a 1/2" maple cap with a curly maple thick veneer. No Alder ..agathis i thought was another term for multiply (as in plywood) made of thin mahogany layers glued together. The epi Korina guitars are solid low grade korina with korina veneer as well top & back
 
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theboatcandream said:
I have two epiphones. One is a "korina" explorer with a maple neck, and the body is mahogany or agathis. One person identified it as agathis, another person didn't identify it as mahogany, I think it could be mahogany.

The other is a 7 string les paul with a maple neck, mahogany back, and alder cap.

I've seen a few in stores with alder backs.

I also have an Epi Korina Exployer.... The guitar had a bad accident i have repaired it for me to use at home.... The Neck was broken and it is Maple for sure.. One of teh bodies horns was damaged as well and i'm sure it is not Mahogany..... Might be Agathis.... Whatever it is it's not mahogany...

My other Epi is also another damaged broken neck sad case... It is an LP Standard and the neck was baddly broken but to make matters worst someone who didn't know what they were doing tried to repair it... Now it needs a complete fret dress because of the hump left in the fingerboard from not using enough wood clamps when it was glued! I have yet to complete the repairs on this one... The neck is alder i think... I once was told they will use alder in necks. Seems much lighter then Maple! The epi's neck weighs a ton but this LP is light as a feather.....


Junky guitars but out of the 2 the Exployer was much better made......

WhoFan
 
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Nightburst said:
How do you know all this? Some things make sense but I'm not shure about the pressed together thing. I'd say that would be a more expensive proces than using cheap lower grade wood glued together?

It sounds plausable to me. They probably use the same method Gibson does. Glue the planks together (side by side) to make large sheets and cut as many bodies from that sheet as you can. As for the "pancake" method, Gibson did it in the '70s and '80s to save money. The bottom line is if the guitar sounds good, you should not worry about what it is made out of. That being said, I would pobably never own an Epi. :rolleyes:
 
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flickoflash said:
The 7 string LP have light weight 2 piece mahogany body & neck with a 1/2" maple cap with a curly maple thick veneer. No Alder ..agathis i thought was another term for multiply (as in plywood) made of thin mahogany layers glued together. The epi Korina guitars are solid low grade korina with korina veneer as well top & back
While you're telliing him what the guitar he owns (and has examined carefully) is made of, bear in mind that no guitar is made of korina, but rather limba ;)
 
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when you guys say neck cavity, what do you mean? The neck pickup cavity? Anyway, when I looked at mine, i could see the veneer of quilted maple, the maple top, and a darker wood whick i assume is mahogany, but i'm not sure.
 
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skh515 said:
There is such a thing as truth in advertising. Even if they are not compelled to tell us what woods are used, if they say it's Mahogany and it's not, it's lawsuit time. Of course that would cost a fortune in lawyer's fees and given Gibson's history with lawsuits, they wouldn't go down without a fight.

There is no case for a law suit. Epiphone clearly state that all specifications are subject to change without notice. This kind of legal disclaimer is standard business practice. If people continue to accept and thus purchase Gibson style guitars made out of alder, Epiphone will continue to sell them.
 
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báratta said:
There is no case for a law suit. Epiphone clearly state that all specifications are subject to change without notice. This kind of legal disclaimer is standard business practice. If people continue to accept and thus purchase Gibson style guitars made out of alder, Epiphone will continue to sell them.



If alder was the only problem, then Epiphones would be miles ahead of where they are now. At least the pickups are better than they used to be.
 
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I bought my Epi classic new in 1994.

It has birdseye veneer, I was told it is not even maple, and the body is made of three pieces. You can see it really easily on the back and the side, as the cut lines are parallele to the neck.

I'm not really good at reconising wood, but as the body is different from the neck, which looks like the wood of my Gibby, so should be mahogany, and it sounds quite like an american tele to my hears whith the humbuckers splitted. I would say it probably is a three piece alder body.
 
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theboatcandream said:
I've never heard of an alder neck before.


Agathis is real wood - it's a s. east asian rainforest tree.

Ya that is what i heard thru my local guitar store that Epiphone has been known to use Alder in their LP necks as it can pass as a maple... My Epi LP Standard maybe one of them.. It is an extremely light neck for sure... When it comes to large scale high production guitar plants they will use whatever wood they can get their hands on. I have seen some other red sunburst Epi LP standards from the same 2003 year as mine that look like they do have Mahogany necks.. At least with a sunburst finnish you can tell what the wood looks like a bit. My Epi is a red sunburst and the finnish cracked around the neck break.... looks like Candy apple coating...

My Epi Exployer's body wood is a real greyish colour... I don't think it would be real Korina so that Agathis stuff sounds about right as the body wood is simular to Squire strats...


WhoFan
 
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Jazz Rock said:
I bought my Epi classic new in 1994.

It has birdseye veneer, I was told it is not even maple, and the body is made of three pieces. You can see it really easily on the back and the side, as the cut lines are parallele to the neck.

I'm not really good at reconising wood, but as the body is different from the neck, which looks like the wood of my Gibby, so should be mahogany, and it sounds quite like an american tele to my hears whith the humbuckers splitted. I would say it probably is a three piece alder body.



Gibsons have three piece bodies too, or even four piece: Two piece mahogany back, two piece maple cap.

The necks can fool you and look like mahogany because they add a brown dye into the wood sealer.
 
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Does anyone know what mine might be? It's a '96 with a bolt-on neck. The rear and neck look like mahogony but in the control cavity it looks a little light for mahogony. Plus after comparing it to a Gibson (studio, full marhogony) it's really light. The tone is pretty dark, though, much darker than any alder guitar I've played.
 
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PFDarkside said:
Does anyone know what mine might be? It's a '96 with a bolt-on neck. The rear and neck look like mahogony but in the control cavity it looks a little light for mahogony. Plus after comparing it to a Gibson (studio, full marhogony) it's really light. The tone is pretty dark, though, much darker than any alder guitar I've played.

With a bolt-on neck, it ought to be Les Paul 100. You can check on the Epi website, they are still selling this model.
 
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