Epiphone vs Gibson

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Hey I'm new here. Been lurking for months. This is an outstanding forum - I have learned much. I just gotta comment on the Gib vs Epi saga. I've been playing at playing Blues for a long, long time. Married it, divorced it, and remarried it.

In 2003 I purchased my first Gibson - a J185EC. I have been an acoustic player since I started in 1967. I love this Guitar and have played the crap out of it. I kept trying to pick up an electric, but ended up just playing the 185 plugged it into my brothers Mesa. Pinch harmonics could not be easier.

Around Christmas I was in a Guitar Center and played a used 2002 335. I was frigging hooked and tried to purchase, but they would not come off the price. I paid $1800 for the 185 new and I just could not see $1800 for the used 335 (I was wrong). I offered $1600, but they were not entertained.

Somehow I convinced myself a 2010 Epi Dot would fill the void. So I purchased a new one and immediately ended up with a $1000 Epi Dot including 57/57+, Fret level, Bone Nut, Ghoto bridge and tail piece, setup, blah, blah, blah.

I barely got it finished and found at Portland Music, a 2003 Guild Starfire IV sitting on the rack someone had just traded in. I gave them $1100 and off I went ( I really wanted an American Made Guitar). Epi was delegated corner duty knowing I had completely screwed myself.

Along the way I found this forum and decide to replace the harsh pickups in the Guild with PG's. While the Guild has been away I have been playing the Dot. I play a Class 5 at home at very low volume and the Dot is proving to be a very cool guitar for blues. Playability reminds me a lot of some of the pawn shop Gibsons my dad would bring home in the late 60's early 70's. The neck is rather chunky. It is very resonant and plays straight. It is perfect for jams and open mics complete with understated pedigree cool factor.

The down side of the Dot is the cost to get it where it needs to be if one does not have the skill and knowledge. Some of the guy's here could have put it where it is for much less and if a person can do that, I think it is a great purchase. They are not great from the factory, but the base is there to build a solid playing guitar. It is nowhere near the quality of my Guild, but then I would not hesitate to put my Starfire against a Gibson offering with respect to build quality.

For me - My Dot is a great sounding semi and I look forward to playing out with it. After all, it sounds great, and it does say Epiphone on the head stock. Lot's of the great ones played Stellas and this thing would have been a Cadillac. If you don't have the skills, or can't bring it in for $700.00 with a case, don't waste your money, because you can have a nicer guitar.

Side notes

- Blues are from the Delta
- Epiphones are not Gibsons
- Tone is in the fingers - both hands.
- If you can't bend .013's, you must be a woman.

:D

You guy's do an awsome job here -
 
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Now that Epiphone is Gibsons bargain brand, it offers a selection of Vs, SGs, and LPs that didnt exist before with a certain legitimacy. plus, how fun is that when you can get a sign. Zakk or Iommi, oh but not for the price of a car, wait, theres the epi version. Plus, because many epi players do upgrade ,you find tons of Epis on craiglists, some that already have Gotohs or Pearly Gates. So you dont have to bring a Cort or a Hondo on stage anymore.

I once paid $ 700 for a Gibson LesPaul that didnt sound as good as the $500 Epi i tried the other day. oh and for resale... it got stolen. Gee, that never happens. My friend had a 59...had,... before the break- in.

I know Epis make you work to find a good one, but Gibsons can be dogs too. And if u want EMGs on on axe, 59s on another, and JBs on a third... A used Epi is hard to argue with. A $110 gtr prob wont devalue more than $60. Thats $50 you can use the day you need the money. If you need to sell an odd Gibson before finding the right buyer you can lose alot more than $60.

So theres wisdom in both a decent Gibson or a decent Epiphone, ... for every Gibson naysayer "who cant afford one", theres an Epi naysayer who refuses to be seen with one. I cant speak for the advantages of Gibson cuz it didnt work out for me, but my Epiphones are in plain sight, i love em, i play em all the time, they sound great, and they fall over and get scratched alot... no worries.

Gibsons dont make me play four times better, so i save the dough,... but I never skimp on pickups.
 
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+1 voggin. it is a Golden Age to consider how many budget guitars today stay in tune!

my Kay, my Howard, my pals Sears, my aunts Cort, all of em wrecked my ears for tuning guitars...
 
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Side notes

- Blues are from the Delta
- Epiphones are not Gibsons
- Tone is in the fingers - both hands.
- If you can't bend .013's, you must be a woman.

:D

You guy's do an awsome job here -


Welcome!

Do a proper intro thread. You seem like a solid dude who could really contribute.

We need more players who started in the '60s. That's never bad.

This is a really great guitar forum and I think I can speak for the rest of us when saying we're glad to have you.

And I'm drunk. Think of the sober members. They're even better. :)
 
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a 2010 Epi Dot would fill the void. So I purchased a new one and immediately ended up with a $1000 Epi Dot including 57/57+, Fret level, Bone Nut, Ghoto bridge and tail piece, setup, blah, blah, blah.

The down side of the Dot is the cost to get it where it needs to be if one does not have the skill and knowledge. Some of the guy's here could have put it where it is for much less and if a person can do that, I think it is a great purchase.
For me - My Dot is a great sounding semi and I look forward to playing out with it. After all, it sounds great, and it does say Epiphone on the head stock...If you don't have the skills, or can't bring it in for $700.00 with a case, don't waste your money, because you can have a nicer guitar.

Side notes

- Blues are from the Delta
- Epiphones are not Gibsons
- Tone is in the fingers - both hands.
- If you can't bend .013's, you must be a woman.

:D

You guy's do an awesome job here -

Welcome aboard! Always good to have new blood. I started playing in the 1960's too.

Yeah, you can do Epi's a lot cheaper. You can find used Dots and Dot Deluxes for around $250. I'll put in a pair of upgraded PU's that I buy used online (Duncan, Gibson, etc), and a pair of 250K's on the bridge PU. I do a set-up and everything else stays stock. All nuts really need is some graphite. For around $350 I have a really nice-sounding guitar (I always get compliments on my tones when I play in public). That's 'value', and this is where Epi's shine.

An indispensible book for guitarists is Dan Erlewine's "How to make your electric guitar play great", teaches everything about set ups. You can get it from StewMac.

Oh, and a couple other things to clear up for you:
- Heavy blues are from the UK
- I can do things with my 9's that you can only dream of with your 13's
- We'll teach you how to do your own mods, and save you a fortune
 
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Welcome aboard! Always good to have new blood. I started playing in the 1960's too.

Yeah, you can do Epi's a lot cheaper. You can find used Dots and Dot Deluxes for around $250. I'll put in a pair of upgraded PU's that I buy used online (Duncan, Gibson, etc), and a pair of 250K's on the bridge PU. I do a set-up and everything else stays stock. All nuts really need is some graphite. For around $350 I have a really nice-sounding guitar (I always get compliments on my tones when I play in public). That's 'value', and this is where Epi's shine.

An indispensible book for guitarists is Dan Erlewine's "How to make your electric guitar play great", teaches everything about set ups. You can get it from StewMac.

Thanks Blue I've learned a lot from you already. I'll order the book now.

Oh, and a couple other things to clear up for you:
- Heavy blues are from the UK

I offer up Hookers T.B. Sheets as my counter argument. Gain don't make heavy blues - Slow, Driving, & Funky.

- I can do things with my 9's that you can only dream of with your 13's
I'm happy with them - :cool2:

- We'll teach you how to do your own mods, and save you a fortune

Yea - you guy's gotta ton of knowledge - very cool you share it. There are some hilarious threads here.
 
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I recently bought an Epi over an equivalent Gibson. Part of the reason was cost, but the main reason was the neck profile. The Epi has a very thin, fast neck. I found it preferable to the Gibby at 1/3 the price. The Epi has a few, & damn few, deficiencies compared w/ the real deal but over all I'm happier with the Epi.

I don't understand the Gibby cost either, but even at equal cost I'd have bought the Epi. I simply like the neck better. As you've mentioned you will want to upgrade a few things but again, damn few. You won't regret the Epi.

Good luck
 
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Most people don't regret their Epis right away. When I bought my first one, it was seven years ago. I'd never had anything but Strats and Ibanez RG series. I thought it was stupid to spend more money on a Gibson with fewer of the cosmetic treatments. I wanted the "Custom" with all the binding, flame top, inlays, gold hardware. And that's what I bought. I was so happy when I brought it home.

Flash forward seven years: If I could go back and pay two hundred dollars more for a used Studio, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Not a second thought about it. I would have had a better guitar for less money. Yes, I'm counting the money I dumped into the Epi to try to make it better and more like a Gibson. But you can't change the wood and the basic construction -- not with all the soldering irons and online parts vendors in the world.
 
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I recently bought an Epi over an equivalent Gibson. Part of the reason was cost, but the main reason was the neck profile. The Epi has a very thin, fast neck. I found it preferable to the Gibby at 1/3 the price. The Epi has a few, & damn few, deficiencies compared w/ the real deal but over all I'm happier with the Epi.

I don't understand the Gibby cost either, but even at equal cost I'd have bought the Epi. I simply like the neck better. As you've mentioned you will want to upgrade a few things but again, damn few. You won't regret the Epi.

Good luck

...and that is all the reason anyone should ever need to pick one guitar over another regardless of price.
 
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Yea - you guy's gotta ton of knowledge - very cool you share it. There are some hilarious threads here.

I try all kinds of PU's, magnets, and wirings, and report my findings to the forum. Whoever can use it to improve their tones, is welcome to it. People have helped me, and I help whoever I can. This is a great forum.

Although I am considered to be controversial at times, I try to interject a good dose of humor in the proceedings too. All of this is only opinions about gear and tones, not life and death. No reason to to take things too seriously. If we were all to get together in person, we'd have fun and get along great.
 
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I try all kinds of PU's, magnets, and wirings, and report my findings to the forum. Whoever can use it to improve their tones, is welcome to it. People have helped me, and I help whoever I can. This is a great forum.

Although I am considered to be controversial at times, I try to interject a good dose of humor in the proceedings too. All of this is only opinions about gear and tones, not life and death. No reason to to take things too seriously. If we were all to get together in person, we'd have fun and get along great.

lol I've quite enjoyed finding and pressing your buttons once in a while, but you really do contribute a lot to the forum at large. Plus, I will always agree with you that it's what you do on the guitar that matters, and not so much which guitar you do it on. :friday:
 
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I try all kinds of PU's, magnets, and wirings, and report my findings to the forum. Whoever can use it to improve their tones, is welcome to it. People have helped me, and I help whoever I can. This is a great forum.

Your advise on setting pickup heights on Semi's has been very useful - thanks
 
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I must say I think the Epi Traditional Pros are not to shabby. Nicer looking than a standard Epi LP and perhaps better electronics??? IDK, but the ones I've played feel pretty darn nice and sound good too.

Anyone tried these?
 
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I played an Epi Trad Pro last weekend. It was really nice. I think it was better, out of the gate, than my Epi LPC (MIK, 2004) was. The finish on the whole thing was smooth as silk, and I'm a sucker for that. And, it just played and sounded killer for the money.
 
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Look Brian May built his Red Special and we can all agree his tone doesn't suck. If guitarists would just "be more original" there wouldn't be all this bickering.
 
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