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Are they simply bootlegging their own stuff at this point? When does this cross the line and become a Les Paul? I think it did, but they forgot to change the name on the headstock

https://www.epiphone.com/en-US/Collection/inspired-by-gibson-custom-shop-collection


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Epiphone is Gibson's company, they own the name, they can name the models what they want. I had an Epi LP years ago, late 90s and I believe it had Les Paul on it.

Is it ok that Squier says Stratocaster on it?
 
It is fine but with the headstock change and the $1200 price tag they might as well just call these Gibsons.
 
I guess they can do what they want. I don't think I am the target market, but those do look better than the older Epi headstocks, and might be good for those wanting to spend less than $1.5k on an LP vs $3.5k.
 
Just like I said in the ES-335 thread, these go thru the Custom Shop in Nashville and get a once over and upgraded everything nearly. That's as close as you'll get to a Custom Shop Les Paul without forking over the $3-4k price. I have no issue with them doing this.
 
I remember back in 16 they had some Epi
with Gibson hardware and pickups

classic 57s

I liked the one I played

Kinda heavy
 
I was thinking something

at <$500

but hey they may think there is already plenty of < $500 Chinese guitars on the market
 
Gibson should start a new middle brand
like ibanez with the premium
Like fender with MIM
like PRS with the S2

I have to say that PRS has navigated the USA and non-USA models well. It is clear what you are getting, and you have many different price points.
 
I was thinking something

at <$500

but hey they may think there is already plenty of < $500 Chinese guitars on the market

They could bring back the Orville brand for their $1000+ Epiphones. And maybe treat their new signature models to the same QC these "Inspired By Gibson" guitars are getting, since it's the same price point.
 
I was thinking something

at <$500

but hey they may think there is already plenty of < $500 Chinese guitars on the market

The Gibson Sonex started at $350 and the deluxe model was $600 it was a screaming good guitar. Amazing freaking pickups.

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I saw one of those locally some years back
in a brown walnut

they wanted a bit more than that one

but I confess

it does look very very nice
 
I remember back in 16 they had some Epi
with Gibson hardware and pickups

classic 57s

I liked the one I played

Kinda heavy

Yup. I remember those. Difference was they still had the Epi hardware and such. These go to Nashville where they are overhauled really and given the top notch treatment with hardware, electronics, setup.
 
I saw one of those locally some years back
in a brown walnut

they wanted a bit more than that one

but I confess

it does look very very nice

They are going at collectors' prices these days. One reason is that they are one of the few guitars that has the Bill Lawrence-designed Velvet Brick pickups. Talk about an amazing-sounding guitar. I see them going for around $800 these days.
 
I like how they look with the Gibson headstock.

But I wouldn't pay that much for an Epi. I've had two of the newer higher end ones (a Custom and a 1959), and they're a bit too expensive for what you get. They weren't bad guitars, but they weren't really fantastic either. You can do better for that amount of money, IMO.

I think the Standards with the ugly Kalamazoo headstock or the Classics are a much better deal, IMO. But even then, I'm not a big fan.

I think the weakest aspect to them is the fretwork. Both of mine were attrocious from the factory, and most reviews I've seen seem to agree.

JME/JMO
 
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They can indeed charge whatever they want, since you can't make a Gibson style guitar without getting sued. So if you absolutely want that Firebird V, 355, SG Custom etc., you'll go for them, since between them and the Custom Shop there's nothing.

Having looked around a bit, it seems that the guitars have the 'inspected by Epiphone USA' sticker on the back of the headstock, which has featured in the past on various models, and goodness knows what that means in practice. I saw a teardown of the SG Custom and it had bad frets and the usual Gibsonesque tooling marks on the binding, so at least on that one, fit/finish isn't better than usual.

I also wonder why they're putting linear taper pots in everything. When I got my IbG SG Special, I thought it was a bit odd, but since then have seen that everything else from IbG to IbCS and the signatures seems to have them.

The Custombuckers seem to be the most notable component factored into the upcharge. Other aspects of the hardware and wood, I don't think as much (as an example, Zzounds is selling a sparkly flake SG Custom which has full binding, ebony, mop inlay, Grovers, for $629).

People talk about the laurel fretboards a lot; for Epiphone, it's arguably a savings measure, which isn't passed on to the customer, and I guess this is where some of the beef is coming from, since there are other guitars in the similar price range and sub-1k which do use rosewood.
 
If my $1300 Epiphone from a year and a half ago is anything to go by, that "inspected by Epiphone USA" sticker is completely meaningless. Uneven frets and a persistent string rattle/buzz, stripped screw holes around the back plate, a short in the battery cavity causing sound to cut out, and the pickups were installed in the wrong positions. Last time I ever keep a guitar that's a fixer-upper right out of the box.
 
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Same ole guitar, made in same ole place by same ole factory.
I'll never pay $1,2K for a $300 guitar but thats me.
 
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