Eric Clapton - there has been A LOT of discussion within the threads on him.
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LLL
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Re: Eric Clapton - there has been A LOT of discussion within the threads on him.
Alas, there is a disturbing trend. We haven't had any bonafide, undisputed guitar "gods" in the last three decades.
50s - Les Paul
60s - Clapton
70s - Page
80s - Edward
90s - nobody (maybe Dimebag? Not IMO)
2ks - nobody
2.1ks - nobody
Alas, there is a disturbing trend. We haven't had any bonafide, undisputed guitar "gods" in the last three decades.
50s - Les Paul
60s - Clapton
70s - Page
80s - Edward
90s - nobody (maybe Dimebag? Not IMO)
2ks - nobody
2.1ks - nobody
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Obsessive Compulsive
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Clapton is no god. Miles Davis and John Mc Laughlin are the closest of the 70s generation whom I can think of.
Clapton is no god. Miles Davis and John Mc Laughlin are the closest of the 70s generation whom I can think of.
Obsessive Compulsive
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Re: Eric Clapton - there has been A LOT of discussion within the threads on him.
Many of these blues players are waaaay...too overrated. Even Jimi is overrated. Artists are respected more when they are dead.
Many of these blues players are waaaay...too overrated. Even Jimi is overrated. Artists are respected more when they are dead.
blueman335
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Re: Eric Clapton - there has been A LOT of discussion within the threads on him.
That's only one example, but it is a horrid song. He's done a lot of other commercial crap. Funny that he left the Yardbirds because he thought they were getting too commercial with 'For Your Love', and then in his solo career has churned out far worse.
What if he would have never done that song? The better question is: What if he had kept Gibsons as his main guitars and still had the fire he did when he was young?
That's only one example, but it is a horrid song. He's done a lot of other commercial crap. Funny that he left the Yardbirds because he thought they were getting too commercial with 'For Your Love', and then in his solo career has churned out far worse.
What if he would have never done that song? The better question is: What if he had kept Gibsons as his main guitars and still had the fire he did when he was young?
MetalManiac
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as far as those TRYING to condemn Clapton- I defer to Bogie movie- 'round up the usual suspects'.
as far as those TRYING to condemn Clapton- I defer to Bogie movie- 'round up the usual suspects'.
blueman335
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Not really. He was very good at psychedelic music, but when the band sold out with Dark Side of the Moon, he couldn't keep up with the really good rock players. His solos sound over-rehearsed and restrained, like every note was written in advance. Never heard any from him that have the energy and improvisational skills of the great Brit players at their peak (Green, Page, Clapton, Beck, Kossoff, Taylor, Lee, Abrahams, etc). Gilmour takes a back seat to all of those guys.
Not really. He was very good at psychedelic music, but when the band sold out with Dark Side of the Moon, he couldn't keep up with the really good rock players. His solos sound over-rehearsed and restrained, like every note was written in advance. Never heard any from him that have the energy and improvisational skills of the great Brit players at their peak (Green, Page, Clapton, Beck, Kossoff, Taylor, Lee, Abrahams, etc). Gilmour takes a back seat to all of those guys.
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MetalManiac
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blueman335
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Re: Eric Clapton - there has been A LOT of discussion within the threads on him.
+1. Gilmour was no guitar god in the 1960's, he was still playing weird music that didn't get much airplay. I'll never understand why anyone considers him a guitar god at all. That really lowers the bar. And Dire Straits...on MTV with pop videos way too often.
+1. Gilmour was no guitar god in the 1960's, he was still playing weird music that didn't get much airplay. I'll never understand why anyone considers him a guitar god at all. That really lowers the bar. And Dire Straits...on MTV with pop videos way too often.
voggin
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That is so silly.
Just because someone isn't an "improvising bluesman" doesn't detract from their musicianship. I love and play blues almost exclusively, but I readily concede the solos Gilmour has done are amazing, composed or not.
Lay down Sally is a cool little tune. Wish I'd written it, even though it's not a favourite of mine.
Tell you what, post a song you've written that's as catchy as Lay Down Sally, or a solo as good as Another Brick in the Wall that you've played, and I'll concede defeat.
That is so silly.
Just because someone isn't an "improvising bluesman" doesn't detract from their musicianship. I love and play blues almost exclusively, but I readily concede the solos Gilmour has done are amazing, composed or not.
Lay down Sally is a cool little tune. Wish I'd written it, even though it's not a favourite of mine.
Tell you what, post a song you've written that's as catchy as Lay Down Sally, or a solo as good as Another Brick in the Wall that you've played, and I'll concede defeat.
voggin
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Wow. Never realized till now Mark Knophler was just an 80s MTV thing. Poor Chet Atkins must have thought he was playing with someone else.
Wow. Never realized till now Mark Knophler was just an 80s MTV thing. Poor Chet Atkins must have thought he was playing with someone else.
blueman335
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Catchy jingles written just to be Top 40 hits? Not my definition of what guitar gods do.
Catchy jingles written just to be Top 40 hits? Not my definition of what guitar gods do.
voggin
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Re: Eric Clapton - there has been A LOT of discussion within the threads on him.
Isn't that the point? The guy wanted to make music, not be worshiped by spotty kids as a "Guitar God".
Paul McCartney could probably outplay all our heroes. But he'd rather write songs loved by millions than impress geeks like me on a guitar forum.
Isn't that the point? The guy wanted to make music, not be worshiped by spotty kids as a "Guitar God".
Paul McCartney could probably outplay all our heroes. But he'd rather write songs loved by millions than impress geeks like me on a guitar forum.
LLL
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At one time, he was.
That 70's Show even mirrored this fact (hilarious):
"Oh my god, man. I drew Clapton too."
So, if my memory serves me correctly, the article I read a long time ago about Clapton and his heroin problem - he stated he had to re-learn the guitar after treatment and getting clean. Which explains everything post-Cream-wise.
At one time, he was.
That 70's Show even mirrored this fact (hilarious):
"Oh my god, man. I drew Clapton too."
So, if my memory serves me correctly, the article I read a long time ago about Clapton and his heroin problem - he stated he had to re-learn the guitar after treatment and getting clean. Which explains everything post-Cream-wise.
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blueman335
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Well, there's the issue of artistic integrity, versus churning out catchy tunes simply to make lots of money. In the Beatles, the group dynamics challenged McCartney and he grew into a very good musician. On his own, he's done a lot of pop jingles and fluff. Disappointing for a man with his talent.
Well, there's the issue of artistic integrity, versus churning out catchy tunes simply to make lots of money. In the Beatles, the group dynamics challenged McCartney and he grew into a very good musician. On his own, he's done a lot of pop jingles and fluff. Disappointing for a man with his talent.
Re: Eric Clapton - there has been A LOT of discussion within the threads on him.
Page is maybe the most overrated guitarist of all times. Apart from some few nice solos in LedZep I,II and IV I cannot think of anything notable he did afterwards. Hendrix must come second.
I remind to you ppl that in the mid 70s appeared players like Jon Uli Roth and EVH. And that in Hendrix's era there was a guy named Rorry Galagher.
About Gilmour, I think his solos were so melodic and soulfoul that he is beyond the level of the aforementioned players. His tone was awesome as well. A great player with signature sound.
Page is maybe the most overrated guitarist of all times. Apart from some few nice solos in LedZep I,II and IV I cannot think of anything notable he did afterwards. Hendrix must come second.
I remind to you ppl that in the mid 70s appeared players like Jon Uli Roth and EVH. And that in Hendrix's era there was a guy named Rorry Galagher.
About Gilmour, I think his solos were so melodic and soulfoul that he is beyond the level of the aforementioned players. His tone was awesome as well. A great player with signature sound.
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Dahla
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Re: Eric Clapton - there has been A LOT of discussion within the threads on him.
Loose the subjective glasses. Just because *you* don't think someone is a guitar god, doesn't mean it's the law (bible?).
I bet there are more than one that will argue your bonafide, undisputed guitar god list too.
Loose the subjective glasses. Just because *you* don't think someone is a guitar god, doesn't mean it's the law (bible?).
I bet there are more than one that will argue your bonafide, undisputed guitar god list too.
regan
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Re: Eric Clapton - there has been A LOT of discussion within the threads on him.
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You have some crazy ideas Gilmours work surpasses at least five on that list and is on a par with the other two, there's more to music than pentatonic noodling.
Gilmours part on 'great gig in the sky alone' eclipses the career of the majority of that list
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You have some crazy ideas Gilmours work surpasses at least five on that list and is on a par with the other two, there's more to music than pentatonic noodling.
Gilmours part on 'great gig in the sky alone' eclipses the career of the majority of that list
regan
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Re: Eric Clapton - there has been A LOT of discussion within the threads on him.
I'd say Page's strengths were in his arranging, but to say he's overrated is a stretch he practically influenced every single rock and metal guitarist that came after him and a fair few folk ones too.
And as for Hendrix being the 2nd most overrated guitarist I'm not even going to dignify that with a response
I'd say Page's strengths were in his arranging, but to say he's overrated is a stretch he practically influenced every single rock and metal guitarist that came after him and a fair few folk ones too.
And as for Hendrix being the 2nd most overrated guitarist I'm not even going to dignify that with a response