ES 335 pickup ideas please for jazz/medium gain
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beaubrummels
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Re: ES 335 pickup ideas please for jazz/medium gain
You need to hear them in an instrument and not just judge only by that spec. A5 and high output means nothing in this case. Something was done with the wind or something else in those that they do not sound like any other A5 pickup I have.
You need to hear them in an instrument and not just judge only by that spec. A5 and high output means nothing in this case. Something was done with the wind or something else in those that they do not sound like any other A5 pickup I have.
Re: ES 335 pickup ideas please for jazz/medium gain
I am sure you are correct.
A lot goes into a pickup design to get an end product no doubt.
I am sure you are correct.
A lot goes into a pickup design to get an end product no doubt.
LtKojak
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Re: ES 335 pickup ideas please for jazz/medium gain
It's ALL in the wind. Ks can only tell you roughly how many turns of a known wire gauge are put in the finished product.
HTH,
Depending on HOW you wind a p'up, you can have a wooly-sounding 7.0K and a sharp-sounding 7.8K, and this is using the same magnet.
It's ALL in the wind. Ks can only tell you roughly how many turns of a known wire gauge are put in the finished product.
HTH,
Evan Skopp
SDUGF Founder
Re: ES 335 pickup ideas please for jazz/medium gain
Though I've always thought that Seths are the best sounding pickups for a semi-hollow, my Schecter Corsair sports a Brobucker in the bridge and a '59 in the neck. I'm very happy with the tone.
Though I've always thought that Seths are the best sounding pickups for a semi-hollow, my Schecter Corsair sports a Brobucker in the bridge and a '59 in the neck. I'm very happy with the tone.
LtKojak
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Re: ES 335 pickup ideas please for jazz/medium gain
The OP plays an Axe FX II, so as a general rule-of-thumb with that kind of modeler, IME, the less mV hits the first stage, the better it'll respond to touch, dynamics and tweak-for-tone.
My live playing rig since May 2011 it's been a software modeler (Scuffham S-Gear), so I've learned THE HARD WAY that what it works with a tube amp, not necessarily works the same way with either a software- or in this case, a hardware modeler.
In many ways it even is "counter-intuitive"... like an EMG SA-loaded strat sounds dull and lifeless on a tube amp, and the same instrument sounds organic, alive and vibrant through a modeler. So much I shook my head in disbelief when it happened to me in August 2011 when I brought my Software-based rig into the studio for the first time!
Live n' learn!
HTH,
That's because you play with an amp.
The OP plays an Axe FX II, so as a general rule-of-thumb with that kind of modeler, IME, the less mV hits the first stage, the better it'll respond to touch, dynamics and tweak-for-tone.
My live playing rig since May 2011 it's been a software modeler (Scuffham S-Gear), so I've learned THE HARD WAY that what it works with a tube amp, not necessarily works the same way with either a software- or in this case, a hardware modeler.
In many ways it even is "counter-intuitive"... like an EMG SA-loaded strat sounds dull and lifeless on a tube amp, and the same instrument sounds organic, alive and vibrant through a modeler. So much I shook my head in disbelief when it happened to me in August 2011 when I brought my Software-based rig into the studio for the first time!
Live n' learn!
HTH,
DreX
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Re: ES 335 pickup ideas please for jazz/medium gain
I've been using both at once. I often can't crank my JVM 410 much past 3 or 4, but I found it sounds more "loud" at low volumes if I activate the modeling feature of my multi effects unit.
I've been using both at once. I often can't crank my JVM 410 much past 3 or 4, but I found it sounds more "loud" at low volumes if I activate the modeling feature of my multi effects unit.
Re: ES 335 pickup ideas please for jazz/medium gain
Going to try a set of SD Antiquities I picked up used.
Have had them in an ES 335 before and liked them a lot.
See where that gets me with this specific axe.
If still not there- will try a set of the ECP RD 59's.
I have ECP's in two other guitars. Just excellent.
One thing about this guitar is that it has the RS Vintage 335 harness pot/caps upgrade.
It may simply have a little different voice than I am used to in a 335 with stock harness.
Going to try a set of SD Antiquities I picked up used.
Have had them in an ES 335 before and liked them a lot.
See where that gets me with this specific axe.
If still not there- will try a set of the ECP RD 59's.
I have ECP's in two other guitars. Just excellent.
One thing about this guitar is that it has the RS Vintage 335 harness pot/caps upgrade.
It may simply have a little different voice than I am used to in a 335 with stock harness.
Evan Skopp
SDUGF Founder
Re: ES 335 pickup ideas please for jazz/medium gain
They're similar in that they're both moderate output and they use Alnico 2 magnets. But there are a lot of differences: different magnet wire, different bobbin material, different potting, different calibration of the magnet, different bottom plate, different spacer, different cable, wound on different machines and assembled by a different work force, and different cosmetics and packaging.
The APH is much closer to a Jazz Model than an Antiquity.
They're similar in that they're both moderate output and they use Alnico 2 magnets. But there are a lot of differences: different magnet wire, different bobbin material, different potting, different calibration of the magnet, different bottom plate, different spacer, different cable, wound on different machines and assembled by a different work force, and different cosmetics and packaging.
The APH is much closer to a Jazz Model than an Antiquity.
DreX
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Re: ES 335 pickup ideas please for jazz/medium gain
Thanks for the details. Is the Antiquity a darker pickup than the A2P? I'm surprised to hear it's similar to a Jazz, people have said the A2P is low and spongy in the bottom, soft on the top, where as the Jazz is said to be bright and clear.
Thanks for the details. Is the Antiquity a darker pickup than the A2P? I'm surprised to hear it's similar to a Jazz, people have said the A2P is low and spongy in the bottom, soft on the top, where as the Jazz is said to be bright and clear.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: ES 335 pickup ideas please for jazz/medium gain
That's the A2 giving A2P's a looser low end and softer top. A5's give Jazz's more high end and clarity.
My Ant's have a very rounded high end, from the aged A2's. I prefer Seth's.
That's the A2 giving A2P's a looser low end and softer top. A5's give Jazz's more high end and clarity.
My Ant's have a very rounded high end, from the aged A2's. I prefer Seth's.
LtKojak
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Re: ES 335 pickup ideas please for jazz/medium gain
Darker is not the way of describe the difference, a different "voicing" is more appropriate.
HTH,
The Jazz and the APH are exactly the same; the only difference is one uses an A5 mag, the other an A2... or so I've been told by some Duncan employees working at the top of the food chain.
Darker is not the way of describe the difference, a different "voicing" is more appropriate.
HTH,
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DreX
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Re: ES 335 pickup ideas please for jazz/medium gain
Sounds like that's the case. That's good info to have. That makes three different sets I know of that differ only between their magnet strengths.
The fact they would tweak on characteristic (and not change up the scatter, pitch, tension, what not) and call it a new pickup makes me think it's more likely than not that a lot of pickups makers are selling the same pickups just by happenstance.
Sounds like that's the case. That's good info to have. That makes three different sets I know of that differ only between their magnet strengths.
The fact they would tweak on characteristic (and not change up the scatter, pitch, tension, what not) and call it a new pickup makes me think it's more likely than not that a lot of pickups makers are selling the same pickups just by happenstance.
Demanic
PenultimateTone Member
Re: ES 335 pickup ideas please for jazz/medium gain
Given this fact, what sort of tone would you expect to get out of one with a UOA5 in it? I'm thinking that it might be the best of both worlds.
Given this fact, what sort of tone would you expect to get out of one with a UOA5 in it? I'm thinking that it might be the best of both worlds.
voggin
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Re: ES 335 pickup ideas please for jazz/medium gain
What's wrong with offering the same pickup with alternative magnets?
What's wrong with offering the same pickup with alternative magnets?
voggin
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Re: ES 335 pickup ideas please for jazz/medium gain
OK, sorry. I thought it was a complaint. I like the idea of similar pickups with different mags, it might help me understand the differences among them better.
OK, sorry. I thought it was a complaint. I like the idea of similar pickups with different mags, it might help me understand the differences among them better.
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