Every been tempted to just settle for one high-end guitar?

Re: Every been tempted to just settle for one high-end guitar?

Yeah it's silly, but if someone wants to argue the point, I'll hear them out. Players like Billy Gibbons play 9's supposedly as part of a "work smarter not harder" mentality, and part of good technique is applying only as much pressure as is needed, so if you only ever riff with a light touch, I don't see how a light string LP player is going to smoothly transition to a heavier set on a longer scale when the situation arises. If it truly didn't matter there would be no such thing as fast neck, people wouldn't have a need for them.
 
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DreX said:
Yeah it's silly, but if someone wants to argue the point, I'll hear them out. Players like Billy Gibbons play 9's supposedly as part of a "work smarter not harder" mentality, and part of good technique is applying only as much pressure as is needed, so if you only ever riff with a light touch, I don't see how a light string LP player is going to smoothly transition to a heavier set on a longer scale when the situation arises. If it truly didn't matter there would be no such thing as fast neck, people wouldn't have a need for them.
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I play 9s exclusively on guitar and then switch to a bass. It's...you know, possible. plausible, even.
 
Re: Every been tempted to just settle for one high-end guitar?

blueman335 said:
A guitar's 'actual value' is it's market price. Hamers may compare favorably price-wise with other American-made guitars, but people still pay full price for those too.
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Market value and actual value are not the same. The market can be suppressed or inflated.

The guitar's actual value is = it's components, hand selected wood, beautiful craftsmanship & attention to detail, where it's made and who made it.

If the market is full of people who don't fully understand quality... it can't be relied on to accurately reflect the actual value.

The actual value is also what it is worth to the owner or potential owner.

I grew up in Arlington Heights Illinois and Hamer is from the same town... the brand means more to me than any other brand and inflates their value far beyond what the "market" will pay for it.

The market value does weigh into the guitar's actual value though... they're not unrelated.

I think the actual value is more like it's "emotional value"? Maybe that's more of a correct term?

I know that "actual value" isn't very academic and maybe is probably more related to the insurance industry's "replacement value".
 
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jon the art guy said:
I don't do 3 step string bends on guitar. Why would I need to do 3 step bends on a bass.
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So then why did you bring bass guitars into this? We're talking about having multiple six string guitars, not violins, or bass guitars, or sitars, or any other piece of wood what also happens to have strings attached.
 
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zenmindbeginner said:
The guitar's actual value is = it's components, hand selected wood, beautiful craftsmanship & attention to detail, where it's made and who made it.
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You'd call those things qualities. With Hamer, you get the same qualities for less money.
 
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DreX said:
So then why did you bring bass guitars into this? We're talking about having multiple six string guitars, not any piece of wood that happens to have string attached to it.
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Its a light gauge string and a super heavy gauge string. I have no difficulty in switching between and I play my bass similar to how I play my guitar.


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Re: Every been tempted to just settle for one high-end guitar?

jon the art guy said:
Its a light gauge string and a super heavy gauge string. I have no difficulty in switching between and I play my bass similar to how I play my guitar.
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Obviously not similar enough if you're not doing string bends on the fifth fret of your bass. That's a very common thing to do in electric guitar technique, and in fact is something that is difficult to do accurately when switching string gauges because the amount of pressure required to hit exactly three steps up with 9's and 11's is very different, not to mention 13's if you happen to be Stevie Ray Vaughan. If you rarely do string bends and your guitar technique is coincidentally similar to your bass technique then consider yourself lucky, because that's specific to you. Bass and guitar technique are typically quite different.
 
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DreX said:
Obviously not similar enough if you're not doing string bends on the fifth fret of your bass. That's a very common thing to do in electric guitar technique, and in fact is something that is difficult to do accurately when switching string gauges because the amount of pressure required to hit exactly three steps up with 9's and 11's is very different, not to mention 13's if you happen to be Stevie Ray Vaughan. If you rarely do string bends and your guitar technique is coincidentally similar to your bass technique then consider yourself lucky, because that's specific to you. Bass and guitar technique are typically quite different.
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...but I just said, I don't do bends like that on either guitar. Is a 3 step bend on a guitar some sort of achievement I missed?
Maybe my point is getting a bit obfuscated with the amount of string bending going on. You, personally, have difficulty in switching between string gauges and you, personally, have had issues with twisting necks et al. A feisty back and forth on the subject is unwarranted because many, many other people don't actually have that much of a problem with it.

For the record...when I played 58 jazzes on my junk strat I had so long ago and then brutally ruined my hand by switching to the LPjr string with 11s....again it wasn't an issue. It took me maybe 45 seconds to apply different pressure for the same note that I heard with my ears and modulated with my hand.

Now I'm heading to sleep but I'll be glad to feed your argumentative nature when I get back up tomorrow. I am literally chock full of debating fallacies you can jump on like a chihuahua worrying on a ham bone if ya like. Just be aware that whatever perceived value in chasing down this irrefutable victory on the matter of "string v. Hand, 2014" is lost on everyone.

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DreX said:
That's a very common thing to do in electric guitar technique, and in fact is something that is difficult to do accurately when switching string gauges because the amount of pressure required to hit exactly three steps up with 9's and 11's is very different, not to mention 13's if you happen to be Stevie Ray Vaughan.
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Nobody commonly bends 3 whole steps at the 5th fret.
 
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zenmindbeginner said:
Nobody commonly bends 3 whole steps at the 5th fret.
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Whether it's common or not doesn't change the fact that it is a part of electric guitar technique and that it's impossible to do on a typical bass, so you can't say, for example, that because you play with 9's and also play bass that you could pick a guitar with 11's and not miss a beat, so to speak.
 
Re: Every been tempted to just settle for one high-end guitar?

jon the art guy said:
...but I just said, I don't do bends like that on either guitar. Is a 3 step bend on a guitar some sort of achievement I missed?
Maybe my point is getting a bit obfuscated with the amount of string bending going on. You, personally, have difficulty in switching between string gauges and you, personally, have had issues with twisting necks et al. A feisty back and forth on the subject is unwarranted because many, many other people don't actually have that much of a problem with it.
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You're no better though, you're saying that because your particular technique allows you to move from 9's to 11's or wherever without trouble, that everyone else should have no problem, and to hear that you don't do wider string bends makes this not such a surprise, but string bends are common to blues and metal, so your technique is only representative of you and your style, not of all guitarists, and probably not even most guitarists who are beyond playing simple chords.

jon the art guy said:
Now I'm heading to sleep but I'll be glad to feed your argumentative nature when I get back up tomorrow. I am literally chock full of debating fallacies you can jump on like a chihuahua worrying on a ham bone if ya like. Just be aware that whatever perceived value in chasing down this irrefutable victory on the matter of "string v. Hand, 2014" is lost on everyone.
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You call it an argument, I call it a debate. You can't keep taking issue with what I post and then say I'm solely the one who's argumentative.
 
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Re: Every been tempted to just settle for one high-end guitar?

jon the art guy said:
I play 9s exclusively on guitar and then switch to a bass. It's...you know, possible. plausible, even.
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I manage to do both too, play 9's on guitar and long scale bass. Not that hard. I have no need or desire to play heavy gauge strings on a longer scale guitar.
 
Re: Every been tempted to just settle for one high-end guitar?

DreX said:
So then why did you bring bass guitars into this? We're talking about having multiple six string guitars, not violins, or bass guitars, or sitars, or any other piece of wood what also happens to have strings attached.
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I think I get it now.

You're arguing that familiarity to the point of exclusivity with one guitar, or with guitars that all play very similarly, leads a player to develop their skills in a limited context that won't translate easily to guitars that are drastically different.

Right?

And your opponents here are arguing that it doesn't matter, because a player who's chosen to stick with one guitar isn't likely to be faced with any situation where they're "forced," for any real or important reason, to play a very different one. Moreover, even if they were, it shouldn't throw them off too badly, providing they possess a certain degree of skill.

So do you see the problem?

You guys aren't having the same argument. This happens all the time.

You're basically saying "If you ever have to wear somebody else's glasses and they have a different prescription than you, everything will look blurry!"

And they're saying "Why would I ever have to do that??"
 
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Additionally, you're allowing yourself to be dragged to and fro, committing to arguments on things like 3-step bends, which aren't really germane to your original point.

To this observer, who has no dog in the fight or much other relevant bias, it seems a bit like you're less interested in making your point and more interested in finding a way to "win" this exchange - a practice I would caution against. It's a trap, dude.
 
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Silver said:
Am I able to ban users from my own threads?
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no, but you can put them (or us) on ignore. It does so much make the user disappear as it sort of puts a big white "you said you didn't want to read this" block over everything they say that you can disable per comment. Not supremely useful...
 
Re: Every been tempted to just settle for one high-end guitar?

Personally, I've found that more than anything, the height of the bridge and scale length of the guitar matter the most to me. For me, nothing is more comfortable than 25.5" on a hardtail or Strat bridge. Once you've got a comfortable to play guitar, you can play it more and figure out the nuances and upgrade components as necessary. Unless you've got an absolutely dead-sounding guitar, you can make it better. I even had a plywood Strat that sounded great once I put a maple fretboard neck on it and installed a high output pickup.
 
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