Everyone’s telling me not to buy a 12u Rack...

[beaubrummels]

are you saying that physically carrying a heavy bulking case is preferable to a wheeled anything
you have never heard of pneumatic wheels?
they go over mud and cobblestone,
you dont climb obstacles when walking, you go around them same as with a hand cart

you obviously dont want to be wrong

Dude, i'm speaking from direct experience. Pnuematic wheels puncture, deflate, and behave differently depending on temperature. Running over cobblestones dumps the load onto the street. You cannot avoid all obstacles, on narrow streets and back alleys of 2000 year old cities. It has nothing to do with absolute right and wrong. You obviously haven't toured internationally and don't understand the experience I have had.

The question isn't cart or not, the question is getting the rig down to something you can carry.

 

[beaubrummels]

So you are swapping things around based on what you need at the time? Do you ever need more than one case?

Yes, of course.

 

[LLL]

Awww what's all the fuss about? Handtrucks? Stairs? 12u racks?

Just get your roadies to lug it around!

:13:

 

[PFDarkside]

There’s got to be an ancient quote, parable or story about a fool seeking advice and ignoring it, vs a sage taking a LLL counsel.

I think it will behoove me to try to make this thing modular.

Any tips on passing power from one rack to another? I’ve got a single Furman unit, just leave slots open on it and use power strips in the other cases?

 

[ehdwuld]

Furman in one
power strip in the other
plug strip into furman

 

[ItsaBass]

I would go with two 6Us before a 12U, if I was going to be hauling it myself to local gigs. If I had a nice rolling shock mounted rack case, or even better, roadies, a 12U might make sense on tour. Easy setup night after night, and fewer trips to/from the van.

I needed a rack setup that was 6U shallow, and after laying everything out and considering weight (and size), I decided that two 4Us with room to spare would be a better way to go. I separated the amps (a flip top 800 W Ampeg along with an old 100W Ampeg that can be used solo or as a pre-amp) and some jury rigged internal lighting for the controls into a shallow 4U cab. I then put the additional equipment into another. I have to hook up a few cables every time I want to use both racks, but it allows me more modularity. The second 4U has a stereo e.q. unit, a rack mounted power strip (no, not a snake oil "conditioner" – just a strip), a tuner, and a 2U short drawer for cables. I don't need all that stuff for every gig. Sometimes the rack with the amps and a speaker cab is fine.

 

[SlyFoxx]

Unless your gear and cables are made of balsa wood I'd stay clear of any rack that large. I still have a 10U SKB from the mid 90's but it has not left my house in over 15 years. Two 6U's and some intelligently engineered interconnects would be my vote if you really need 12 spaces.

 

[Mincer]

Not to mention, if you had roadies, and a 12 space rack...they would hate you.

 

[PFDarkside]

It’s clear what the issues are. I could build up the “effects”
portion to use with a head and there would be no issues moving it. It’s those damn preamps/poweramp!
:chairfall

Furman PL-8C: 11.8lbs

Dunlop Rack Wah: 3lbs?

Korg Pitchblack Pro: 0.8lbs

Voodoo Lab GCX: 3.65lbs

TC G-Major 2: 4.1lbs

Shelf: 2lbs

Pedal Power: .8lbs

Pedals (6): 4.2lbs

Marshall JMP-1: 10lbs

Mesa TriAxis: 11lbs

Mesa 2:90: 35lbs

 

[Mincer]

I am always amazed at how heavy the Furmans actually are.

 

[PFDarkside]

I am always amazed at how heavy the Furmans actually are.

That was actually the most shocking number. You know a power amp with 1 power transformer, 2 output transformers, 8 power tubes and 3 preamp tubes is not going to be light. The power unit though is surprising!

 

[Mincer]

My 4 space rack has a Furman, and it is the heaviest thing in there.

 

[Demanic]

It’s clear what the issues are. I could build up the “effects”
portion to use with a head and there would be no issues moving it. It’s those damn preamps/poweramp!
:chairfall

Furman PL-8C: 11.8lbs

Dunlop Rack Wah: 3lbs?

Korg Pitchblack Pro: 0.8lbs

Voodoo Lab GCX: 3.65lbs

TC G-Major 2: 4.1lbs

Shelf: 2lbs

Pedal Power: .8lbs

Pedals (6): 4.2lbs

Marshall JMP-1: 10lbs

Mesa TriAxis: 11lbs

Mesa 2:90: 35lbs

~90lbs.
That's not horrible. That's about what my 4x12 guitar or 4x10 bass cabs weigh. And I can easily move those with a two wheeler.

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[JMP/HBE]

Break your back rack.

 

[Demanic]

Break your back rack.

It's not even as big as a refrigerator.

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[Demanic]

How tall is each space in a rack? 2"? That's only ~2' tall. I think that I'd have an easier time with a 12 space rack than a 4x12 guitar cab.

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[PFDarkside]

Total height under 2 ft, the rack itself is in the neighborhood of 35lbs itself.

 

[Demanic]

Total height under 2 ft, the rack itself is in the neighborhood of 35lbs itself.

Seriously? And people are concerned with moving that? I if you also had an amp head and cabinets and you had to move it all in one shot it could be challenging, but not impossible.

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[PFDarkside]

Seriously? And people are concerned with moving that? I if you also had an amp head and cabinets and you had to move it all in one shot it could be challenging, but not impossible.

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This rig will be the rack, a smallish pedalboard with a Ground Control Pro and Wah controller and a cabinet.

 

[Demanic]

This rig will be the rack, a smallish pedalboard with a Ground Control Pro and Wah controller and a cabinet.

Piece of cake.

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