EVH 5150 LBX and Vintage 30 question

[stupendous silly]

I recently got the Lbx and running it through an Orange PPC12 with a Vintage 30. Even slightly high volume is giving fizzy, breaking up, nasty sound. I cant say I broke in the speaker perfectly well, just loud playing face down in a closet for an hour or two, but I didnt have this issue with the Dirty Shirley Mini running through it. But than that is a far less bright amp with much less bite to the sound. Still this seems too much even for a fairly fresh speaker. Vintage 30 is not a good match for the EVH? I dont love it but thats is what I have presently. Any idea whats happening? Have a good year everyone..

 

[jmh151]

Re: EVH 5150 LBX and Vintage 30 question

The EVH 1x12 and 2x12 cabs come with Celestine g12h30’s, which are slightly warmer, with a tad more bass.

You might want to try that , or just turn the presence down and resonance up

 

[Empty Pockets]

Re: EVH 5150 LBX and Vintage 30 question

Buy the cab for your head. The engineers who designed that amp have already done the math and the tests and figured out which speaker it sounds best with.

 

[stupendous silly]

Re: EVH 5150 LBX and Vintage 30 question

I really keep the resonance almost full down because it seems to take that bite from the sound. But I will work more on that, thanks.

 

[stupendous silly]

Re: EVH 5150 LBX and Vintage 30 question

I wouldn't imagine any decent speaker and cab to respond this bad even if it is not the best match, and V30 is a standard for this type of music and sound after all, obviously.
Those 1 or 2 by 12 evh cabs come with Anniversary speakers. I would rather get Greenbacks (or Greenback type speaker) when I do, not least because I assume they will be less loud than the Anniversaries.

 

[jmh151]

Re: EVH 5150 LBX and Vintage 30 question

As Empty Pockets said, buy the matching EVH Cab. I had both the 50 watt and the LBX, and they sounded perfect with the EVH cabs.

 

[stupendous silly]

Re: EVH 5150 LBX and Vintage 30 question

As Empty Pockets said, buy the matching EVH Cab. I had both the 50 watt and the LBX, and they sounded perfect with the EVH cabs.

I love the Greenback sound, and I like the idea that its sensitivity is low. I was planning to put some good money on a celestion EVH or Scumback. You think the EVH cab would still be a better cab choice than much anything else even if I change the speaker at some point? This could be a tough question I am guessing.

 

[Van Noord]

Re: EVH 5150 LBX and Vintage 30 question

Take your LBX to a music store and test drive some cabinets?

 

[stupendous silly]

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That is a good idea in general, but gear prices in my country are extreme rip off, I order almost all my gear from abroad. I am uncomfortable trying gear I won't buy in a store, not least because people are usually less understanding, more *******-like in our parts of the world.
Edit: Loved this automatic censoring thing. So I don't need to hold back much when I get real pissed

 

[Coma]

Re: EVH 5150 LBX and Vintage 30 question

Not sure how much of a difference in tone there is between the 100 w head and the LBX, but for the forst two years of owning my EVH, I played it through an Orange PPC412 V30s and I absolutely HATED it. Icepicky and harsh. Finally scraped up enough spare cash to buy the matching EVH cab and never looked back. I still have the Orange cab, but I keep that one on the ground and the EVH 412 on top (full stack, baby!). That keeps the highs from piercing my skull and still makes up for a bit of the muddy/boominess of the EVH 412.

But yeah, def have a look at something with Greenbacks and EVH loaded speakers (they're the same as the Heritage Greenbacks, but can be had for a lower price, for some reason). I've no idea why they decided to stick different speakers in the different sized EVH cabs, but if you want, I'm sure someone can do a speaker swap for you.

 

[stupendous silly]

Re: EVH 5150 LBX and Vintage 30 question

I am thinking they probably went for the anniversaries in the 112 and 212 because of the lower power handling of the Greenbacks, and I am really speculating, one or two Greenbacks may be coming off a little weak and thin on their own at low volumes, and an H magnet speaker may be functioning better in that context. Maybe someone else knows the answer so I stop chasing the Greenback sound until I can afford that 412 you have. Again, those bigger watts Greenbackish speakers, Creambacks etc may be a better option here, Maybe someone coould speak on that too. In any case my main question now is do I really have to get the very EVH cab because I don't quite like the speaker it comes with. It was very helpful to hear your similar experience, so I know I am probably not unduely obsessing and making a fuss. Thank you.

 

[Coma]

Re: EVH 5150 LBX and Vintage 30 question

I'm not following you. You want to get the EVH 412 but you don't want the EVH speakers?

 

[PierceOkken]

Re: EVH 5150 LBX and Vintage 30 question

I have used the EVH LBX through a PPC212OB and go roughly the same problem, but I have also ran the 50w head through the same cabinet and it sounded spectacular. I think the problem might be the eq and the cabinet. V-30 speakers are ver versatile and with a correct EQ they can make anything sound good. I would recomend buying one of the EVH cabs

 

[stupendous silly]

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Not at all. Rather: I couldnt possibly afford the 414, and I dont feel like paying for the smaller EVH cabs because they come with the Anniversaries. It must have been very bad writing to be able to confuse you like that, sorry. Maybe someone comes along with an brilliant formula, but likely I will just get the EVH cab and take it from there, because that is the most consistent advice I am getting. Statistically at least, that seems like the safest bet.

 

[dave74]

Re: EVH 5150 LBX and Vintage 30 question

EVH greenback loaded 212 would be a big help in the warmth/thickness dept.

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: EVH 5150 LBX and Vintage 30 question

Isn’t the correct EVH speaker a G12H30? Isn’t that what Ed uses?

Much fuller sounding speaker th@n the V30.

Probably a better compliment.

In any case, the V30 is an excellent speaker but not the speaker the EVH amps were designed around. It’s too bright.

 

[Ayrton]

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The EVH cabs were designed around Ed’s favorite Marshall 4x12. The style of construction of a Marshall cab is part of the sound. The Orange by comparison is a brighter cabinet, and combined with a V30, can be too harsh.

The EVH speakers are Heritage greenbacks, so you could theoretically buy a used Marshall cab loaded with greenbacks.

 

[stupendous silly]

Re: EVH 5150 LBX and Vintage 30 question

Isn’t the correct EVH speaker a G12H30? Isn’t that what Ed uses?

Much fuller sounding speaker th@n the V30.

Probably a better compliment.

In any case, the V30 is an excellent speaker but not the speaker the EVH amps were designed around. It’s too bright.

No I believe not, the EVH celestions are G12M's, not the H magnet, and G12M is associated with the original Van Halen sound. I wrote above in one of the posts my idea of why the 112 and 212 EVH cabs may be coming with g12H's, the Anniversary speakers. Actually I didn't get the Orange cab and V30 for the EVH, I have a Friedman Dirthy Shirley mini and I thought the Orange with a V30 shouldn't be a bad idea to give it a more modern, brighter, and tighter sound. I understand it is hard to make one cab work for all amps, and well, I find it harsh even for the Fat/Dark Friedman, but I never dreamed of aquiring great Cabs and Speakers, rather great Guitars and Amps, so it is hard for me to drop a lot of money into this side of things - not that I am that rich either.

 

[stupendous silly]

Re: EVH 5150 LBX and Vintage 30 question

The EVH cabs were designed around Ed’s favorite Marshall 4x12. The style of construction of a Marshall cab is part of the sound. The Orange by comparison is a brighter cabinet, and combined with a V30, can be too harsh.

The EVH speakers are Heritage greenbacks, so you could theoretically buy a used Marshall cab loaded with greenbacks.

That is a great suggestion thank you, I will look around for Marshalls.

 

[stupendous silly]

Re: EVH 5150 LBX and Vintage 30 question

One motivation against getting the EVH cabs with the Anniversary celestions I did not mention, is that I don't want to add Made in China speakers to my collection, because I know I won't be able to sell them when I'd like to upgrade to better versions of those speakers, due to the viccititudes of my geographical location. I am adding this, so maybe it makes better sense. Thank you everyone...