EVH 5150 LBX and Vintage 30 question
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stupendous silly
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Yes, and by that 'Made in China speakers' it was referring in particular to the G12H Anniversaries.
To clear a possible source of confusion, when sayin 'Greenback' I am usually referring to the g12m versions. The info I have is that g12h's started as bass speakers and were later recruited by guitarists, when the g12m's were already well established. I may be wrong about this nomenclature, but thats the reason I honor the original version as the Greenback. Sorry people if my writing is to convoluted, I am not a native, go get some fresh air at intervals when reading my treads.
Yes, and by that 'Made in China speakers' it was referring in particular to the G12H Anniversaries.
To clear a possible source of confusion, when sayin 'Greenback' I am usually referring to the g12m versions. The info I have is that g12h's started as bass speakers and were later recruited by guitarists, when the g12m's were already well established. I may be wrong about this nomenclature, but thats the reason I honor the original version as the Greenback. Sorry people if my writing is to convoluted, I am not a native, go get some fresh air at intervals when reading my treads.
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The speaker Sweetwater describes in this cab is a G12H. https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...wKs9gD_OfvbBe0ROzmX79kAfrU9WFmrgaAvlAEALw_wcB
This two 12 too: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...XS0VeEwCXgyyPxnNsrpLYOGbrQ7DOKi0aAqhXEALw_wcB
The speaker Sweetwater describes in this cab is a G12H. https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...wKs9gD_OfvbBe0ROzmX79kAfrU9WFmrgaAvlAEALw_wcB
This two 12 too: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...XS0VeEwCXgyyPxnNsrpLYOGbrQ7DOKi0aAqhXEALw_wcB
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stupendous silly
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That is exactly why I am not enthusiastic about getting those cabs. Check out what the Celestion EVH speaker is, it is a G12m, and that is what comes in the EVH 412 cabs. Those g12h's seem like compromises for some problems they had using 20 watts G12m Greenbacks in 112 and 212 cabs. Van Halen apparently thinks for his sound the original small-wattage speakers work best, and utube demos tell me they likely sound the sweetest and 'correct' Greenback. I was speculating before those problems could involve for power handling considerations as well as tone considerations. So that is the humble info I have. And that is the conundrum, I am told I best use the EVH cabs, on the other hand I think I won't fancy those g12hs much, I think they will be loud, and I don't think they will work well with my other amps, I know I wont be able to sell them where I am located, and I am not intent on aquiring MIC speakers in general. Thanks for your interest in this and reading...
Lewguitar
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The G12h30 is my favorite Celestion.
More bass and a fuller tone than G12M.
Not quite as crunchy.
It’s a great speaker.
I use it in my 60’s Deluxe Reverb Amps...the 75hz version.
I also have a 55 Hz version .
I like it too but prefer the 75 Hz version.
Try it if you can.
The G12h30 is my favorite Celestion.
More bass and a fuller tone than G12M.
Not quite as crunchy.
It’s a great speaker.
I use it in my 60’s Deluxe Reverb Amps...the 75hz version.
I also have a 55 Hz version .
I like it too but prefer the 75 Hz version.
Try it if you can.
Re: EVH 5150 LBX and Vintage 30 question
I haven't tried my 5150III with V30s but I can imagine you'd have have to dial back the treble quite a bit. It is a trebly amp, and I believe voiced for the Greenback variations that Ed uses. I think the same would apply for the LBX. I will say that the speaker that's in my 1X12 combo, and the oversized nature of the enclosure itself, sounds great and very full.
I haven't tried my 5150III with V30s but I can imagine you'd have have to dial back the treble quite a bit. It is a trebly amp, and I believe voiced for the Greenback variations that Ed uses. I think the same would apply for the LBX. I will say that the speaker that's in my 1X12 combo, and the oversized nature of the enclosure itself, sounds great and very full.
Rex_Rocker
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The V30 in the PPC112 is Chinese. I've got one too.
moshpit817
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I had the 1st LBX,are you sure its only the speaker thats doing it ? i swapped preamp tubes to tungsol re-issue 12ax7 in V1 & V2 and that helped me somewhat,I ran a 2-12" with a Vintage 30 & G12T-75 and it sounded great..I also had 2 basically brand new Mojotone BV30-V speakers,their V30 version and they were less fizzy with the LBX,so yeah it is the speaker too,check those preamp tubes in V!7 V2 also..helped me out..Good Luck,I loved my LBX !
moshpit817
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Thats what I have now the EVH 5150-3 50 watt head w/matching cabinet and they do sound the best IMO with the matched sets,as said above,the guys did the homework already for us.
Thats what I have now the EVH 5150-3 50 watt head w/matching cabinet and they do sound the best IMO with the matched sets,as said above,the guys did the homework already for us.
stupendous silly
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Right, it is good to receive some tube ideas too, thanks. I like the Lbx ok, but honestly its been two weeks and I am already eyeballing Engl Powerball. I think Lbx will be up for sale in not too distant future, but I am enjoying it for now.
Right, it is good to receive some tube ideas too, thanks. I like the Lbx ok, but honestly its been two weeks and I am already eyeballing Engl Powerball. I think Lbx will be up for sale in not too distant future, but I am enjoying it for now.
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Don't discount Chinese Celestions. They use the same tooling as UK ones to make them. They may sound different in some aspects, but they do not sound poor. They are still more desirable than American made Eminence speakers on the used market.
FWIW, I owned the EVH 2x12 cabinet with my JVM and that cabinet sounded terrible. The cabinet dimensions are too small and the 70th Anniversary speakers were incredibly bright and beamy with any volume above bedroom levels.
Don't discount Chinese Celestions. They use the same tooling as UK ones to make them. They may sound different in some aspects, but they do not sound poor. They are still more desirable than American made Eminence speakers on the used market.
FWIW, I owned the EVH 2x12 cabinet with my JVM and that cabinet sounded terrible. The cabinet dimensions are too small and the 70th Anniversary speakers were incredibly bright and beamy with any volume above bedroom levels.
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I am under quite an economic pressure now due to other gear expenses, but I can give shot at a Chinese G12m25 to use with the Orange Cab I have. Do you, or any of you guys have any idea if I can expect good results out of that?
I am under quite an economic pressure now due to other gear expenses, but I can give shot at a Chinese G12m25 to use with the Orange Cab I have. Do you, or any of you guys have any idea if I can expect good results out of that?
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Hey, so what did you do in the end?
I got LBX and running it through Egnater Tweaker 1x12 cabinet with GH-50 = 50-watt version of G12H-30, and I hear lots of fizz on low volumes. Going to buy custom made (100 Euro) 2x12 cabinet and greenback speakers.
Hey, so what did you do in the end?
I got LBX and running it through Egnater Tweaker 1x12 cabinet with GH-50 = 50-watt version of G12H-30, and I hear lots of fizz on low volumes. Going to buy custom made (100 Euro) 2x12 cabinet and greenback speakers.
stupendous silly
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I intend to get a Scumback M75 speaker when the occasion arises, too much other gear expense and busy-ness for that at the moment. Those Greenbacks, one of them on its own may not give enough bottom end I suppose, there must be a reason EVH is not using them like that. On the other hand I am also getting better results raising the resonance and presence at the same time at lower volumes, don't need to fear of too much presence like that. You tell us how you fare.
I intend to get a Scumback M75 speaker when the occasion arises, too much other gear expense and busy-ness for that at the moment. Those Greenbacks, one of them on its own may not give enough bottom end I suppose, there must be a reason EVH is not using them like that. On the other hand I am also getting better results raising the resonance and presence at the same time at lower volumes, don't need to fear of too much presence like that. You tell us how you fare.
Jacew
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I'm sure you knowledge about V30's not being particularly good fit for EVH are correct. I still find it surprising no one has brought up this:
I'm sure they're not broken in yet. So don't count too much on that. It took me 40 hours with G12H's. Eminences I had earlier we're quicker with 20-30 hours...
I'm sure you knowledge about V30's not being particularly good fit for EVH are correct. I still find it surprising no one has brought up this:
I'm sure they're not broken in yet. So don't count too much on that. It took me 40 hours with G12H's. Eminences I had earlier we're quicker with 20-30 hours...
Rex_Rocker
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In my experience, Greenbacks have more lows and, particularly, low mids than V30's.
In my experience, Greenbacks have more lows and, particularly, low mids than V30's.
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I believe EVH does not use G12EVH in 2x12 speakers just because of power handling and 50W heads. Hopefully for the volumes I play two greenbacks/EVH's will be enough. Also, I read people replace Anniversaries with Greenbacks in their EVH 2x12, and they seems to be happy.
Anyway, I have to invest in 2x12
, since want to use my Egnater Tweaker for cleans.
I am planning to order two speakers for comparison: G12EVH and G12M. Will report how it goes.
I believe EVH does not use G12EVH in 2x12 speakers just because of power handling and 50W heads. Hopefully for the volumes I play two greenbacks/EVH's will be enough. Also, I read people replace Anniversaries with Greenbacks in their EVH 2x12, and they seems to be happy.
Anyway, I have to invest in 2x12
, since want to use my Egnater Tweaker for cleans. I am planning to order two speakers for comparison: G12EVH and G12M. Will report how it goes.
stupendous silly
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Maybe, but then I think V30 has the bigger H magnet, which means bigger and still well-defined bass. At least that is what I thought all along .. hah... not sure given the same signal H magnet will deliver more bass than an M magnet speaker. What I think I know is it will handle it better and tighter.
Maybe, but then I think V30 has the bigger H magnet, which means bigger and still well-defined bass. At least that is what I thought all along .. hah... not sure given the same signal H magnet will deliver more bass than an M magnet speaker. What I think I know is it will handle it better and tighter.
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