Favorite PAF Replica

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See, that's why I'm confused.
To me those are vastly different pickups and yet all are classed as PAF's.
Why be confused? The sooner you let go of the notion that, if two pickups are PAFs they should be similar, the better.
 
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For me, nothing tops the WLH set. In my opinion they are S.D.'s best pickups in years, perhaps ever!
 
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Why be confused? The sooner you let go of the notion that, if two pickups are PAFs they should be similar, the better.

Then why classify them as a PAF ?
Doesn't this mean we should drop the title and use a different description ?
PAF has become so diluted it really doesn't mean anything.

It can be anywhere from 7.5k to 10k....hell the JB is over 16k and is classed as a hot PAF !!!
How is an inexperienced player meant to know what he's looking for.

Tell me, what defines a PAF because it seems to be a Humbucker.

I'm not being pedantic, I find its unnecessarily confusing myself.
 
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Aceman said:
PG's are my faves far and away.

I am partial to the DiMarzio PAF as well.

Also a fan of the BB 1/2's

See, that's why I'm confused.
To me those are vastly different pickups and yet all are classed as PAF's.

I would classify all of those as PAF because they follow the recipe for a Gibson PAF. Variance is perfectly ok if it still follows the basic recipe. I think most folks consider PAF to be a blend of what the patent states (basically a humbucker as we know it, http://www.google.com/patents/US2896491) and restricting it a bit to the way they were built by Gibson when first put into production, which had a fair amount of variance; various magnets, variations in wind, subtle but noticeable variations in sound.
 
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I think the Antiquity humbuckers are some of the best pickups ever made by anyone, ever. Just fantastic pickups, and, frankly, for me personally, I see no reason to go anywhere else for PAF-style, lower outpot, unpotted, classic humbuckers.
 
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Then why classify them as a PAF ?
Doesn't this mean we should drop the title and use a different description ?
PAF has become so diluted it really doesn't mean anything.

It can be anywhere from 7.5k to 10k....hell the JB is over 16k and is classed as a hot PAF !!!
How is an inexperienced player meant to know what he's looking for.

Tell me, what defines a PAF because it seems to be a Humbucker.

I'm not being pedantic, I find its unnecessarily confusing myself.
I feel your pain, it's very frustrating watching people fight about PAF variants.

I think a much better term to use would be "PAF-era" replica. Since really, the only thing that makes a "true" original PAF, is having been made during the time when they got the "Patent Applied For" sticker. The variation in those pickups is staggering, and that's what causes the problems we have today with the recreations. It seems counter productive to try and lump them together by materials, or a certain resistance. Many pickups will fall into these categories, yet would not be considered PAFs.

Pickup manufacturers and winders can do a multitude of things for their PAF replica. They could copy the manufacturing process, an idealized version of the pickups from that era, or a copy of a specific pickup. Those are definitely very different things, trying to do the "same" thing. So by its very nature PAF means a lot of different things to a lot of different people.

I too have thought before that any conventional Humbucker is technically a PAF. Most would tell me I'm wrong. Go figure.
 
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Of what I've tried, I really like a Gibson 57 Classic + in the neck. It sounds like a 57 but with more attack and cut. The regular 57, as someone noted, tends to get muddy and your notes sound almost like plucks with a foam dampener on your guitar. The output is also low enough that it can sound kind of hollow when put with a hotter bridge pickup. I unsuccessfully tried a 57/498t combo and ended up using the 57+ in the neck and it was perfect. The only drawback is the 57+ doesn't split and I don't think the 57+'s closest splitable sibling, the 490t, sounds as good as the 57+.

You also could consider pickups that aren't PAFs but try to replicate a PAF sound. To that end, I recently experimented with a JB in the neck and, backed down deep into the body, especially on the bass strings side, it sounds great. E chords are huge and it has a vocal quality to bends, although it can get a little hairy and brittle in the mids because it's so hot for that position. YMMV on the cleans--it sounds great split but slightly pushed in full humbucking mode. I think it's a great choice for players with a really fluid legato technique--Chris Poland comes to mind.

"I too have thought before that any conventional Humbucker is technically a PAF. Most would tell me I'm wrong. Go figure."

I thought about that briefly while reading through this thread. I think until the 80s it used to be that all PAFs were humbuckers and all humbuckers were PAFs. For the most part, you were a Gibson or Fender player.

But since the 80s, with the growth of high output pickups with ceramic magnets, etc., I don't think that applies. All PAFs may be humbuckers today, but not all of today's humbuckers are PAFs.

Also, I agree that there's no consensus on a PAF, but I do think the term is becoming a bit overused and meaningless. As a kid of the 80s, I associate PAFs with warm semi distorted/overdriven sounds, especially Guns n Roses, but there are also PAFs that have stinging highs like BB King's playing. Others, like a Gibson 57 Classic + in the bridge, may have smooth highs and bouncy lows because it's an A2.

This will doubtlessly be oversimplified for you guys who are older than me and into classic rock, but in my heavy metal world of active pickups and stuff I like like Full Shreds and Duncan Distortions, to me, the essence of a PAF is a creamy, warm quality associated with the neck pickup that "woos" in the bends and goes well with a warm tonewood like mahogany. That doesn't have to be all of them, but it's what I think of when I think of a PAF. I've also heard pickups that try to emulate PAFs that do bright, crystalline cleans well (an EMG 60 comes to mind). And yet at other times I've heard some that I could have sworn were single coils or actually sounded cleaner than some single coils, albeit with less dynamics and touch sensitivity than singles.
 
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No one 'classifies' JB's as PAF's or hot PAF's. Any similarity between JB's and PAF's is strictly in the minds of the people writing the advertising copy.

PAFs were wound imprecisely with mismatched bobbins, supposedly they kept winding until it "looked right", so I'd like to know what the upper and lowere limit of "PAF" is in terms of wind hotness or coolness, and also what % of mismatch is acceptable before the pickup is off the PAF reservation. The Pearly Gates is based on an actual PAF, but I bet in a blind listening test, a lot of people would mistake it for a more aggressive modern pickup.

After having spent some time with Filter'tron humbuckers, which are also wired in series but differ in their magnet size and coil geometry (most significantly), I'd be willing to make the case that any pickup that uses the PAF two bobbin, one row of slugs, one row of screws, is somewhat PAF, because for as hot or cool as it might be wound, or how strong or weak the magnet, you name it, the magnetic circuit is the same. Nobody would disagree that a Lil '59 doesn't produce the tone of a PAF form factor '59, and this is the reason: probably more important than how a pickup is voiced, it's what the pickup sees, and how it communicates what it sees into the coil or coils.

Moral of the story: I wonder if a JB was ever accidentally wound on the Leesona winder.
 
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I wonder if a JB was ever accidentally wound on the Leesona winder.

Actually I have a custom shop JB that i know was deliberatly wound on the leesona. Being its a different wire gauge its never going to be a paf... Even mine with butyrate bobbins and maple spacer still sounds very much like a JB and not like a PAF
 
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Don't forget about the "PAF Shootout" from Guitar Player a few months ago http://www.guitarplayer.com/video/gear/3395697489001 , conducted by Matt Blackett (who is or was affiliated with Seymour Duncan product development).

I thought the Fralin sounded a smidge brighter than the others, which is neither a good a bad thing. The only downside to this comparison is that these pickups probably differ in ways that are only apparent if you're playing the guitar yourself.
 
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