fender amps?
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drew_half_empty
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i dunno, i wanted something AT LEAST as loud as like a marshall mg100, and I'm on a very very limited budget. Like i said, i have a hard time believing tubes are louder, cuz the avt150 is only a tad louder than the mg100.
i dunno, i wanted something AT LEAST as loud as like a marshall mg100, and I'm on a very very limited budget. Like i said, i have a hard time believing tubes are louder, cuz the avt150 is only a tad louder than the mg100.
drew_half_empty
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"for all my gigs i use a marshall 50 watt head and a 4 x 12, taht includes staduims and areanas"
-jimmy page
yeah that kinda made all my doubts dissapear. OK, i want 30-40 watts (something that can easily keep up with drums & about 100 watts of bass, plus vocals), something that has a really pretty clean channel that also sounds good under rat2 distortion, and preferably something in the $500 range. a LITTLE over is acceptable thanks to ebay. I'm not terribly worried about effects, some kind of distortion would be nice tho. Basically i play everything from punk to indie rock, and it has to be able to meet those standards. Once again, i'm not really worried about in-amp distortion, cuz i plan on getting a rat2...and a danelectro dan-echo but that's besides the point
"for all my gigs i use a marshall 50 watt head and a 4 x 12, taht includes staduims and areanas"
-jimmy page
yeah that kinda made all my doubts dissapear. OK, i want 30-40 watts (something that can easily keep up with drums & about 100 watts of bass, plus vocals), something that has a really pretty clean channel that also sounds good under rat2 distortion, and preferably something in the $500 range. a LITTLE over is acceptable thanks to ebay. I'm not terribly worried about effects, some kind of distortion would be nice tho. Basically i play everything from punk to indie rock, and it has to be able to meet those standards. Once again, i'm not really worried about in-amp distortion, cuz i plan on getting a rat2...and a danelectro dan-echo but that's besides the point
Hot _Grits
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Marshall AVTs are basically solidstate amps. You need to try an all-tube amp (with a tube power section) and compare.
Buy secondhand. You should be able to get a decent fender or peavey tube amp s/h for the store price of that solidstate fender you're talking about. I've tried the amp you're looking at, and no way is it as good as a hot rod deluxe or peavey classic 50. Save your pedalboard money and but an amp you won't need to fight with pedals (apart from an overdrive maybe) to get a good sound.
Marshall AVTs are basically solidstate amps. You need to try an all-tube amp (with a tube power section) and compare.
Buy secondhand. You should be able to get a decent fender or peavey tube amp s/h for the store price of that solidstate fender you're talking about. I've tried the amp you're looking at, and no way is it as good as a hot rod deluxe or peavey classic 50. Save your pedalboard money and but an amp you won't need to fight with pedals (apart from an overdrive maybe) to get a good sound.
drew_half_empty
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well the delay is essential, but i actually like fender OD enough to deal with it until i have money for a rat. I have an od pedal, but its a boss power driver pw-3, it sounds like a robot. How would you compare the OD-2 on the fm 212 to the regular od on the hot rod or a fender twin? is it pretty much like the od-1 on the 212?
well the delay is essential, but i actually like fender OD enough to deal with it until i have money for a rat. I have an od pedal, but its a boss power driver pw-3, it sounds like a robot. How would you compare the OD-2 on the fm 212 to the regular od on the hot rod or a fender twin? is it pretty much like the od-1 on the 212?
drew_half_empty
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also, how often do you have to replace tubes and how much is it to replace them
also, how often do you have to replace tubes and how much is it to replace them
y2stevo
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I agree with Hot Grits, the AVT is a solid state amp with preamp tubes but solid state power section, my 50watt Marshall DSL could easily overpower the AVT 150..
Ive played the Hot Rod and that is one sweet and ""LOUD!"" amp.40watts of pure headrom...But the overdrive from that amp is the ""WORST!"" thing ive ever heard ever, IMO..
I agree with Hot Grits, the AVT is a solid state amp with preamp tubes but solid state power section, my 50watt Marshall DSL could easily overpower the AVT 150..
Ive played the Hot Rod and that is one sweet and ""LOUD!"" amp.40watts of pure headrom...But the overdrive from that amp is the ""WORST!"" thing ive ever heard ever, IMO..
Hot _Grits
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Go out and try a 100 watt solid state amp and a 100 watt tube amp into the same speaker cabinet. Then get back to me.
Drew, hot rod deluxes go for 400-450 BIN on ebay. hot rod devilles go for a little more, and come in 4x10 and 2x12 configurations. I recommend 2x12 for your style. The deville is a very loud amp. The deluxe is loud, but doesn't have the same clean headroom. Get to a shop and try both to see what works for you.
hunt down a decent condition hot rod reville 2x12 and you'll have a well made amp that sounds great, is portable, loud, is reliable, and cheap. Then for heavy distortion, buy the overdrive of your choice. That would be a great setup that will serve you well and hold resale value better than some chinese made solid state amp.
If you want to go cheaper, try the peavey classic 30 and 50. Good amps.
Gamera said:
Go out and try a 100 watt solid state amp and a 100 watt tube amp into the same speaker cabinet. Then get back to me.
Drew, hot rod deluxes go for 400-450 BIN on ebay. hot rod devilles go for a little more, and come in 4x10 and 2x12 configurations. I recommend 2x12 for your style. The deville is a very loud amp. The deluxe is loud, but doesn't have the same clean headroom. Get to a shop and try both to see what works for you.
hunt down a decent condition hot rod reville 2x12 and you'll have a well made amp that sounds great, is portable, loud, is reliable, and cheap. Then for heavy distortion, buy the overdrive of your choice. That would be a great setup that will serve you well and hold resale value better than some chinese made solid state amp.
If you want to go cheaper, try the peavey classic 30 and 50. Good amps.
Hot _Grits
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as for od quality, I can't compare, as I only tried the clean channel on the 160. I always buy on clean tone first, as there are a million ways to dirty a tone up, but the clean tone has to be in the amp in the first place. you can't reverse-engineer a great clean tone after the fact.
The hot rods have a cool low gain, vintage style overdrive, but I'm not a fan of the 'more drive' channel. I suggest trying a bunch of pedals and seeing what you like. Lots of the local rock guys in my town use devilles, and they get awesome crunch sounds. dunno what they use for pedals, though. If you want utterly killer crunch, I'd suggest the G2D classic overdrive (www.g2d.co.nz) but that's probably a little more than you'd want to pay for an od.
At a guess, I'd assume the low gain od of the devilles should eat the 160's low gain sounds. The thing with tube amps is they sound warmer and have a smoother, louder midrange presence that solid state amps struggle to match.
as for od quality, I can't compare, as I only tried the clean channel on the 160. I always buy on clean tone first, as there are a million ways to dirty a tone up, but the clean tone has to be in the amp in the first place. you can't reverse-engineer a great clean tone after the fact.
The hot rods have a cool low gain, vintage style overdrive, but I'm not a fan of the 'more drive' channel. I suggest trying a bunch of pedals and seeing what you like. Lots of the local rock guys in my town use devilles, and they get awesome crunch sounds. dunno what they use for pedals, though. If you want utterly killer crunch, I'd suggest the G2D classic overdrive (www.g2d.co.nz) but that's probably a little more than you'd want to pay for an od.
At a guess, I'd assume the low gain od of the devilles should eat the 160's low gain sounds. The thing with tube amps is they sound warmer and have a smoother, louder midrange presence that solid state amps struggle to match.
drew_half_empty
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k awesome. thanks guys.
it's gonna take me for friggin ever to get that much money tho. Stupid little caesars, only giving me $75 a week
also, no one answered, how often do you have to replace tubes? like once every couple months? only when they break or start to sound bad? once a week? what
k awesome. thanks guys.
it's gonna take me for friggin ever to get that much money tho. Stupid little caesars, only giving me $75 a week
also, no one answered, how often do you have to replace tubes? like once every couple months? only when they break or start to sound bad? once a week? what
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drew_half_empty
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haha i am listening to you & getting one. From what i understand a 30 watt tube should be about the same volume as the avt150, but with tubes you get overdrive so i'm gonna go with a 50 watt. Anyhoo, will someone please answer my question about tube replacement
haha i am listening to you & getting one. From what i understand a 30 watt tube should be about the same volume as the avt150, but with tubes you get overdrive so i'm gonna go with a 50 watt. Anyhoo, will someone please answer my question about tube replacement
drew_half_empty
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also i've heard horror stories about overheating
also i've heard horror stories about overheating
Hot _Grits
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tube life on preamp tubes is extremely long. Most people only swap them out if they are microphonic or if they want to tweak their tone. Power tubes last anywhere between 6 months and two years, depending on use. I get about a year out of my power tubes, and that's with two practices a week and 2-5 gigs a month. I could probably be longer but I try and service my amp reasonably regularly. How they last for you depends on your sttle and workload.
If you get one, plan to put away some cash in future for a qualified technician to look it over somewhere down the line. Always a good idea. Find out who the good amp tech guy is in your town and make friends. A well made, decent brand amp and a good relationship with your tech are worth their weight in gold.
As for overheating, I've never had it happen. Ask some other guys about their war stories.
tube life on preamp tubes is extremely long. Most people only swap them out if they are microphonic or if they want to tweak their tone. Power tubes last anywhere between 6 months and two years, depending on use. I get about a year out of my power tubes, and that's with two practices a week and 2-5 gigs a month. I could probably be longer but I try and service my amp reasonably regularly. How they last for you depends on your sttle and workload.
If you get one, plan to put away some cash in future for a qualified technician to look it over somewhere down the line. Always a good idea. Find out who the good amp tech guy is in your town and make friends. A well made, decent brand amp and a good relationship with your tech are worth their weight in gold.
As for overheating, I've never had it happen. Ask some other guys about their war stories.
drew_half_empty
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why is the inspection important? i think i'll know when my tubes go out. About the tone thing, should i get new tubes if i were to get, oh, a hot rod deluxe, to better fit my style? they're pretty cheap, assuming you only need 2 tubes, so its something i may consider doing after i get my pedals, any thoughts on that?
Hot _Grits said:
why is the inspection important? i think i'll know when my tubes go out. About the tone thing, should i get new tubes if i were to get, oh, a hot rod deluxe, to better fit my style? they're pretty cheap, assuming you only need 2 tubes, so its something i may consider doing after i get my pedals, any thoughts on that?
