Lucid_Lunatic
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Fender Strat Trems: 2 Point vs. 6 Screw Vintage
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Bludave
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Re: Fender Strat Trems: 2 Point vs. 6 Screw Vintage
The 2 point Trem is kind of awkward. It works, but I find it to be less stable. The way the bridge mounts is on a fulcrum type of design and I just think it is a lot less stable from the limited experience I have had working on a few guitars that have them.
I own 5 Strats & I feel I get much better tone & sustain with the traditional 6 screw style. I also set my guitars up with the bridge resting on the body. It sustains better & again the guitar stays in tune better especially if you break a string. I am really considering(and I mean considering) to set one up with the bridge floating so I can get into the Jeff Beck, David Gilmore type of whammy action. I am afraid of all of the instability that it will cause. I may do it anyway. The Strats just seem to sing with more sustain when the bridge is in contact with the body.
The 2 point Trem is kind of awkward. It works, but I find it to be less stable. The way the bridge mounts is on a fulcrum type of design and I just think it is a lot less stable from the limited experience I have had working on a few guitars that have them.
I own 5 Strats & I feel I get much better tone & sustain with the traditional 6 screw style. I also set my guitars up with the bridge resting on the body. It sustains better & again the guitar stays in tune better especially if you break a string. I am really considering(and I mean considering) to set one up with the bridge floating so I can get into the Jeff Beck, David Gilmore type of whammy action. I am afraid of all of the instability that it will cause. I may do it anyway. The Strats just seem to sing with more sustain when the bridge is in contact with the body.
scottish
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Re: Fender Strat Trems: 2 Point vs. 6 Screw Vintage
on that point i actually disagree. i have all my 6 point trems set up to be slightly floating. still get great sustain and i dont have any stability issues but i dont use the whammy at all. again, i just prefer the way they feel and sound that way.
on that point i actually disagree. i have all my 6 point trems set up to be slightly floating. still get great sustain and i dont have any stability issues but i dont use the whammy at all. again, i just prefer the way they feel and sound that way.
Hagbard Celine
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Re: Fender Strat Trems: 2 Point vs. 6 Screw Vintage
I don't like the feel of 2 point trems. Sound-wise I'd think that more contact with the body is better than less and if a 2 point is floating there's none to speak of. Then again, Jeff Beck has amazing tone with a floating 2 point trem. Of course, Beck is a unique talent.
Contrary to popular belief a well set up floating 6 point trem will stay in tune quite well.
I don't like the feel of 2 point trems. Sound-wise I'd think that more contact with the body is better than less and if a 2 point is floating there's none to speak of. Then again, Jeff Beck has amazing tone with a floating 2 point trem. Of course, Beck is a unique talent.
Contrary to popular belief a well set up floating 6 point trem will stay in tune quite well.
Boogie Bill
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Re: Fender Strat Trems: 2 Point vs. 6 Screw Vintage
I used the 6-screw vintage bridge, for many, many years; setting it to float on my 1960 Strat.
But to tell the truth, Leo Fender's Dual Fulcrum Vibrato on his G&L guitars is the the best vibrato I've ever used.
I much prefer it over the Fender 2-point, Floyds, and Kahler.
Bill
I used the 6-screw vintage bridge, for many, many years; setting it to float on my 1960 Strat.
But to tell the truth, Leo Fender's Dual Fulcrum Vibrato on his G&L guitars is the the best vibrato I've ever used.
I much prefer it over the Fender 2-point, Floyds, and Kahler.
Bill
Re: Fender Strat Trems: 2 Point vs. 6 Screw Vintage
i'm more a modern strat player then a vintage fan even if i do love my vintage style starts and as well... so i'm all for new ideas and designs... i own 4 American Standard bridges... the older styles from the late 80's and 90's... i love them... many complain about the tone being different then the vintage trems but that's fine... i own some nice strats including a 66 Custom Shop and my 1988 American Standard with the 2 post trem is the best sounding strat yet... so i can't say i could see myself ever changing that old 2 post trem over to a vintage trem anytime soon...
the bonus for me with the modern American Standard trems is
1-better string spacing... not as wide so the strings sit on the neck better, and line up with the Bridge postion pu's poll pieces better
2-the 2 posts is a better feeling trem to me in use... it feels like a floyd in movement...
people can argue about 2 post verse vintage trems all they want but sometimes modern designs are what is best... depends on your needs... i'm just as happy on a strat with hotrails, 2 post trem and locking tuners as i am on a 100% vintage spec ride... and sometimes i'm happier with the modern stuff... i know for playing in bars i prefer the more modern set ups...
Whofan
i'm more a modern strat player then a vintage fan even if i do love my vintage style starts and as well... so i'm all for new ideas and designs... i own 4 American Standard bridges... the older styles from the late 80's and 90's... i love them... many complain about the tone being different then the vintage trems but that's fine... i own some nice strats including a 66 Custom Shop and my 1988 American Standard with the 2 post trem is the best sounding strat yet... so i can't say i could see myself ever changing that old 2 post trem over to a vintage trem anytime soon...
the bonus for me with the modern American Standard trems is
1-better string spacing... not as wide so the strings sit on the neck better, and line up with the Bridge postion pu's poll pieces better
2-the 2 posts is a better feeling trem to me in use... it feels like a floyd in movement...
people can argue about 2 post verse vintage trems all they want but sometimes modern designs are what is best... depends on your needs... i'm just as happy on a strat with hotrails, 2 post trem and locking tuners as i am on a 100% vintage spec ride... and sometimes i'm happier with the modern stuff... i know for playing in bars i prefer the more modern set ups...
Whofan
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Funkfingers
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Re: Fender Strat Trems: 2 Point vs. 6 Screw Vintage
I prefer the original-style six screw bridge but I only bother to fit the outer two screws. On guitars that I have assembled from scratch, I do not bother to drill the inner four holes.
One other observation. On some two-post vibrato bridges, with the neck pickup selected, the false harmonic above the fifth fret seems weaker than with either a vintage-style vibrato or a fixed bridge. Maybe that is just me? :scratchch
I prefer the original-style six screw bridge but I only bother to fit the outer two screws. On guitars that I have assembled from scratch, I do not bother to drill the inner four holes.
One other observation. On some two-post vibrato bridges, with the neck pickup selected, the false harmonic above the fifth fret seems weaker than with either a vintage-style vibrato or a fixed bridge. Maybe that is just me? :scratchch
eschoendorff
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Re: Fender Strat Trems: 2 Point vs. 6 Screw Vintage
6 screw trems for a Fender-style bridge. If you want a 2-screw bridge, just get a Floyd.
6 screw trems for a Fender-style bridge. If you want a 2-screw bridge, just get a Floyd.
j9fd3s
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Re: Fender Strat Trems: 2 Point vs. 6 Screw Vintage
i'm like whofan, my first strat is a 2 point trem.
i went and read all the EVH interviews and set it up like he says, and i can beat the s#%$ out of the bar and it stays in tune, shoot i can throw it on the floor and it stays in tune...
so the 6 points are newer to me, and i'm in the ballpark but mine don't seem to be as stable, it seems like they move side to side, AND up and down, while the 2 point only pivots on one axis.
tone is hard to say, as the 2 pointers have jb jr's and the 6 pointers are single coil....
with both i like non floating, bridge is on the body, seems like that helps tone
i'm like whofan, my first strat is a 2 point trem.
i went and read all the EVH interviews and set it up like he says, and i can beat the s#%$ out of the bar and it stays in tune, shoot i can throw it on the floor and it stays in tune...
so the 6 points are newer to me, and i'm in the ballpark but mine don't seem to be as stable, it seems like they move side to side, AND up and down, while the 2 point only pivots on one axis.
tone is hard to say, as the 2 pointers have jb jr's and the 6 pointers are single coil....
with both i like non floating, bridge is on the body, seems like that helps tone
rainsong86
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Re: Fender Strat Trems: 2 Point vs. 6 Screw Vintage
the problem with two-point trems is that they're too unstable.. I can't do unity bends with them... bending a string draws the bridge forward and raises the pitch of the non-bent strings.. this problem can happen with 6-screw trems but it is easier to adjust the vintage 6-screw trems to fix this problem
however.. I do like it how easily it is to adjust action with the 2-point trems.. all you have to do is adjust the 2 fulcrum-point screws.. with the vintage you have to raise the height at each saddle (which involves adjusting 12 allen screws) without messing with your tremelo action
the problem with two-point trems is that they're too unstable.. I can't do unity bends with them... bending a string draws the bridge forward and raises the pitch of the non-bent strings.. this problem can happen with 6-screw trems but it is easier to adjust the vintage 6-screw trems to fix this problem
however.. I do like it how easily it is to adjust action with the 2-point trems.. all you have to do is adjust the 2 fulcrum-point screws.. with the vintage you have to raise the height at each saddle (which involves adjusting 12 allen screws) without messing with your tremelo action
Zerberus
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Re: Fender Strat Trems: 2 Point vs. 6 Screw Vintage
Classic with only the outside screws mounted. IMO the other 4 only generate unnecessary friction while not doing anything for the structural integrity.
I don´t like the tone of the 2-point AM-Std trem.
I currently however have neither in my stable, the closest I can offer right now is a Wilkinson VS-100 (which is what I would replace an AM Std trem with)
Classic with only the outside screws mounted. IMO the other 4 only generate unnecessary friction while not doing anything for the structural integrity.
I don´t like the tone of the 2-point AM-Std trem.
I currently however have neither in my stable, the closest I can offer right now is a Wilkinson VS-100 (which is what I would replace an AM Std trem with)
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STRATDELUXER97
Stratoblaster Tone Meister
Re: Fender Strat Trems: 2 Point vs. 6 Screw Vintage
I prefer the look of the vintage 6 screw bridge and I set mine up to slightly float...I feel the tone is different with the American Deluxe Strat I owned compared to the rest of my strats that have the vintage style bridge...
One of my strats has an original Floyd Rose on it and it too has a different tonality compared to the vintage style bridge.
I prefer the look of the vintage 6 screw bridge and I set mine up to slightly float...I feel the tone is different with the American Deluxe Strat I owned compared to the rest of my strats that have the vintage style bridge...
One of my strats has an original Floyd Rose on it and it too has a different tonality compared to the vintage style bridge.
ErikH
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Re: Fender Strat Trems: 2 Point vs. 6 Screw Vintage
I'm good with either. I have one Strat with a 6-screw and one Strat with a 2 point. They sound completely different from one another but I attribute that more to the wood they're made of than the trems. Sure, the bridges contribute to the tone as well but not enough to make me picky to one over the other.
I'm good with either. I have one Strat with a 6-screw and one Strat with a 2 point. They sound completely different from one another but I attribute that more to the wood they're made of than the trems. Sure, the bridges contribute to the tone as well but not enough to make me picky to one over the other.
the guy who invented fire
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Re: Fender Strat Trems: 2 Point vs. 6 Screw Vintage
I think that set up properly a 6 hole trem works just as well as a 2 point and IMHO they sound MUCH better.
I think that set up properly a 6 hole trem works just as well as a 2 point and IMHO they sound MUCH better.
FuseG4
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Re: Fender Strat Trems: 2 Point vs. 6 Screw Vintage
I have a 2-pt in my squier. The tuners and nut aren't so great so I can't blame any instability on the bridge, there's too many other variables.
I found I get springy sound I like by having the sucker floating. Someone told me that they were supposed to float. So, I tried it both ways and went back to floating. it sits a tad lower than what fender's specs call for.
I have a 2-pt in my squier. The tuners and nut aren't so great so I can't blame any instability on the bridge, there's too many other variables.
I found I get springy sound I like by having the sucker floating. Someone told me that they were supposed to float. So, I tried it both ways and went back to floating. it sits a tad lower than what fender's specs call for.
STRATDELUXER97
Stratoblaster Tone Meister
Re: Fender Strat Trems: 2 Point vs. 6 Screw Vintage
Yep they were setup to have 3/32" to 1/8" of clearance mesured from the rear of the bridge to the body top...Alot of people also like them flat to the body,or even blocked(Like Clapton)..I use the vibrato subtly and like the bridge to float...The bridge, amount of springs and spring tension,and the way they're adjusted,has alot to do with the sound of a strat also.
Yep they were setup to have 3/32" to 1/8" of clearance mesured from the rear of the bridge to the body top...Alot of people also like them flat to the body,or even blocked(Like Clapton)..I use the vibrato subtly and like the bridge to float...The bridge, amount of springs and spring tension,and the way they're adjusted,has alot to do with the sound of a strat also.
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loudriver23
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Re: Fender Strat Trems: 2 Point vs. 6 Screw Vintage
I've only ever used 2 points in my 2 strats, but once set up properly I don't have any stability issues. I have one blocked to the body, and the other setup floating both guitars stay in tune as well as my fixed bridge guitars. One day I'd like to own a strat with a vintage 6 screw just for giggles.
I've only ever used 2 points in my 2 strats, but once set up properly I don't have any stability issues. I have one blocked to the body, and the other setup floating both guitars stay in tune as well as my fixed bridge guitars. One day I'd like to own a strat with a vintage 6 screw just for giggles.
Stratman
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Re: Fender Strat Trems: 2 Point vs. 6 Screw Vintage
Two point versus 6 screws....
Most missed the point that the 6 screw only actually uses TWO screws...
From Fender...
For a vintage-style tremolo bridge, a great way to enhance its performance is to pull the bridge back flush with the body using the tremolo arm.
Then loosen all six screws located at the front edge of the bridge plate, raising them so that they all measure approximately 1/16" (1.6 mm) above the top of the bridge plate.
Then tighten the two outside screws back down until they're flush with the top of the bridge plate.
The bridge will now pivot on the outside screws, leaving the four inside screws in place for bridge stability.
G&L Legacy Special is better than the Fender American two hole bridge.
If you want another tone comparison, then try the hard tail bridge.
PS: I use both and there is a tonal quality difference between them.
Two point versus 6 screws....
Most missed the point that the 6 screw only actually uses TWO screws...
From Fender...
For a vintage-style tremolo bridge, a great way to enhance its performance is to pull the bridge back flush with the body using the tremolo arm.
Then loosen all six screws located at the front edge of the bridge plate, raising them so that they all measure approximately 1/16" (1.6 mm) above the top of the bridge plate.
Then tighten the two outside screws back down until they're flush with the top of the bridge plate.
The bridge will now pivot on the outside screws, leaving the four inside screws in place for bridge stability.
G&L Legacy Special is better than the Fender American two hole bridge.
If you want another tone comparison, then try the hard tail bridge.
PS: I use both and there is a tonal quality difference between them.
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