Fender...what ever happened with the decent hardware?

Re: Fender...what ever happened with the decent hardware?

Funny, I picked up a 2012 AS Fender at the store and I was seriously wowed by the quality feel of the neck. If Fender is "cheapening" then how did they just upgrade the pickups in the AS line last year?
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Not to imply or accuse Fender of anything as I haven´t heard the referenced PUs, but Apple sells thousands of bugs every month as "upgrades" and "Features" and people still come back raving for more... ;)
 
Re: Fender...what ever happened with the decent hardware?

You're paying for a paint job. Build your own for half the price. I choose warmoth.
 
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IMO Fender hasn't gone down, I've seen then only get better with time. They have soooo many options available on their standard designs, not to mention their other brands like Jackson/Charvel that there's something for everybody.

IMO Fenders are built like a tank
 
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Funny, I picked up a 2012 AS Fender at the store and I was seriously wowed by the quality feel of the neck. If Fender is "cheapening" then how did they just upgrade the pickups in the AS line last year?

As for the Select Series... The nut is actually synthetic bone, not plastic. And birdseye maple necks, compound radius fret boards, chambered Ash bodies, flame maple tops, natural binding. Yeah, what a piece of crap guitar. The Chinese Squiers are absolutely equal or better quality! /sarcasm

you do realize that "synthetic bone" is just plastic right? let's also focus on the topic at hand, not neck quality or pickups.

IMO Fender hasn't gone down, I've seen then only get better with time. They have soooo many options available on their standard designs, not to mention their other brands like Jackson/Charvel that there's something for everybody.

IMO Fenders are built like a tank

sooooo many options available? how can i get the hardware i was talking about in post #1?
 
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sooooo many options available? how can i get the hardware i was talking about in post #1?

Simple. You easily retrofit it. That's like putting up a sink because a Les Paul doesn't come with Duncan pickups... so you buy a Les Paul and put Duncan pickups in it
 
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In the same way that "second-hand" or "used" guitars were magically rebranded as "vintage" so we had an excuse to make them more expensive than new guitars, we need a new, non-offensive word for "modern" to apply to instruments that use the hardware and materials that work the best rather than the ones that were cheapest in the 1950s. The word "modern" makes people think "crap". Any suggestions for a better word? Contemporary, maybe? Progressive? Visionary? Advanced? Renaissance?

I've always used the word "Ibanez."
 
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If I'm going to consider buying a $3000 select series strat then why would I want to have a basic nut and bridge? Plastic nuts and bent steel bridge saddles do not cut it. Keep that for the squires.

For that much I don't want the cheap stuff. I want a Wilkinson roller nut and a Fender Deluxe Locking Bridge. These were standard on some of the US Strat Plus Deluxe models from the 90s.

What gives?:31:

i still have my strat plus deluxe from 1991. i bought it new.
Those wilkinson nuts are nothing special - and they wont accept any guage bigger than 10. I have a different (fender) roller on mine now, but id be just as happy with a traditional nut. Bear in mind that gibson use plastic too and they cost an arm an a leg. I think any guitar really needs a proper set up after buying it, cos all players have their own preference for string guage, neck relief and so on.
the bridges are definitely nice tho even tho its the same as on the standards of the same era.
The main thing that's cool about the axes you are talking about is the woods. They definitely sound a lot sweeter and sustain nicer than the standard series strats.
The old lace pickups tho....hmmm....well i guess i liked them back when i had a jcm900. I think ive developed an appreciation for different sounds since.

Anyways....why dont you just buy an early 90s strat plus deluxe? They are cheap as chips these days and a great platform for customizing. Especially if they already have the features you dig.
 
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Simple. You easily retrofit it. That's like putting up a sink because a Les Paul doesn't come with Duncan pickups... so you buy a Les Paul and put Duncan pickups in it

Or he could buy something other than a Fender and get it stock. Plenty of other companies make "S-style" guitars with the features the OP is talking about.
 
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I don't think the original post has a point but in general I hate the hardware on Am Std Fenders. Chinese-made heavy crap with no vintage correct construction. Meh.
 
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Or he could buy something other than a Fender and get it stock. Plenty of other companies make "S-style" guitars with the features the OP is talking about.

^^^^^^

This.
 
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you do realize that "synthetic bone" is just plastic right?

The way you say that seems to infer that everything between a styrofoam cup and the enclosure of an artificial heart are the same thing, they´re all "plastic"...

The fact of the matter is that "plastic" really means nothing more than "a man made petroleum -based compound specifically designed and engineered to have the physical properties it needs to excel in the application it was designed for". Graphtech Trem-Nut, or Tusq? Corian? Micarta? These are ALL "plastic".

Just like Delrin, which lines your clutch and brakes. Or Plexiglass, which is used for canopies on fighter aircraft among other things. Or most of the other materials you will encounter in normal daily life for that matter.

If you don´t want a "plastic" nut, then you need to avoid 90% of all new instruments on the market that don´t have a Floyd Rose. Nobody uses ivory anymore, and only small luthiers use bone because if Gibson of Fender did it it would be a PR fiasco thanks to PETA and their cronies.

Or he could buy something other than a Fender and get it stock. Plenty of other companies make "S-style" guitars with the features the OP is talking about.

Exactly.
 
Fender...what ever happened with the decent hardware?

I don't think the original post has a point but in general I hate the hardware on Am Std Fenders. Chinese-made heavy crap with no vintage correct construction. Meh.

But the AS line is not intended to be a vintage correct line. They have modern features and specs. "Vintage correct" is what the American Vintage reissue line is for.

I've got a 2009 AS Tele and I've never felt the hardware was anything but top notch. The nut is well cut (no binding) and the bridge intonates perfectly and has required almost no adjustment. The look and feel are superb.

Now compare that to my Gibson LP JR DC that cost about $200 more than my Tele. The nut is cut poorly and the bridge was a piece of hollow Zamack garbage that I was forced to replace.
 
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But the AS line is not intended to be a vintage correct line. They have modern features and specs. "Vintage correct" is what the American Vintage reissue line is for.

EXACTLY. The American Standard line is nothing more than the CURRENT standard way to build a Fender, and has always been, Fender has been pretty blunt about this since the early `80s. And it would be idiocy in marketing (if not the most ultimate fail ever) to have your standard issue instrument decked out with all the 1:1 vintage correct features that in part cost you as a manufacturer more to produce, and still try to sell "traditional", "vintage", "Closet Classic", or similar product lines for a higher price.

There is zero point is spending 1500-2k for a guitar when I can play 20 800 dollar guitars until I find the one with good wood that is then truly EXACTLY the same thing for a fraction of the price. That´s like pricing Car x in red at 200k, but car x in a random color only costs 80k from the same dealer and you can order until you find one you like. So you keep ordering and backing out until you get a red one, save a boatload, and have exactly the same thing for a fraction of the price.

This is one of the reasons most cheaper instruments do not have the same quality of hardware or even even the same specs as the same manufacturer´s high end models, so that it`s nearly impossible to truly get "the exact same thing for less". Everything else is marketing suicide, and with it financial suicide .;)
 
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Bingo.

Hate those old 90s "improved" bridges and roller nuts. Ick.

I actually preferred the more modern bridge myself. Better feel. Closer to PRS in some ways which is my fav bridge along with the no-locking Wilkinson
 
Fender...what ever happened with the decent hardware?

EXACTLY. The American Standard line is nothing more than the CURRENT standard way to build a Fender, and has always been, Fender has been pretty blunt about this since the early `80s. And it would be idiocy in marketing (if not the most ultimate fail ever) to have your standard issue instrument decked out with all the 1:1 vintage correct features that in part cost you as a manufacturer more to produce, and still try to sell "traditional", "vintage", "Closet Classic", or similar product lines for a higher price.

There is zero point is spending 1500-2k for a guitar when I can play 20 800 dollar guitars until I find the one with good wood that is then truly EXACTLY the same thing for a fraction of the price. That´s like pricing Car x in red at 200k, but car x in a random color only costs 80k from the same dealer and you can order until you find one you like. So you keep ordering and backing out until you get a red one, save a boatload, and have exactly the same thing for a fraction of the price.

This is one of the reasons most cheaper instruments do not have the same quality of hardware or even even the same specs as the same manufacturer´s high end models, so that it`s nearly impossible to truly get "the exact same thing for less". Everything else is marketing suicide, and with it financial suicide .;)

Agreed. I believe the current AS line is one of the best values out there. ESPECIALLY given that places like Hello Music routinely have AS Fenders for under 900 bucks.
 
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