Fender's credibility is sinking once again

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My Dad's G&L (with three bolt) is amazing. Neck stays in place without bolts. Makes sense with the microtilt, it just has to be done well.
 
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I don't think the design of the three bolt neck is bad, it just suffered from extremely poor execution back in the 70s. These new ones are well above the build quality of the origionals, except for the electronics, if the 70s WRHB is your thing.
 
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To go back to the original complain and the wide range humbuckers.

For the general user a bar magnet and passive polepieces are just more digestible. Especially if you do PAF style polepiece which have 6 slugs and 6 screws, which smoothens out the sound a lot and is very versatile. Humbuckers with rod magnets are more of a special purpose thing and will probably sound a lot worse in the hands of an overly average guitarist.

Also, I think this is less of a disaster than the reissue of the Schecter pickups that was recently done. Those were just mad dash crap looks-only copies of the original designs.
 
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Really want to pick up a Stag Mag, to see if it gets in the ballpark.
 
Re: Fender's credibility is sinking once again

I don't think the design of the three bolt neck is bad, it just suffered from extremely poor execution back in the 70s. These new ones are well above the build quality of the origionals, except for the electronics, if the 70s WRHB is your thing.

What is different between the old Fender 3 bolt neck and the G&L? Is the G&L more stable? Does it use machine screws and inserts?
 
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I don't think the design of the three bolt neck is bad, it just suffered from extremely poor execution back in the 70s. These new ones are well above the build quality of the origionals, except for the electronics, if the 70s WRHB is your thing.

I know a guy who worked at Fender. He said the 3 bolt design was not the problem–CBS ownership was constantly trying to keep costs down which resulted in machines not getting maintained/replaced and quality control tolerances being relaxed which resulted in more products being sold with quality issues not acceptable under Leo's ownership.
 
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Ok I'm a huge "72 Tele Deluxe" nerd. It's one of the guitars I had always, always wanted. The reissues were marketed exactly for guys like me- aware of the originals, but not necessarily overly familiar with them. I had my first good paying job right when these got reissued-early 00's. I had been looking at actual "vintage" (never thought I'd be using that term on something from that era...) Anyway, all the old ones I'd been handling were heavy, kinda sloppily built, beat up and expensive. Also I've never been into the "relic" thing, if I'm gonna spend more than a couple bills on a guitar, I want it to look new. I could have bought two of the RI's for what an original one cost... I ended up getting an 04 RI,


it was light, the 3-bolt neck was perfectly done (nice, tight pocket and the tilt mechanism worked like it was supposed to) Sure it didn't sound like an old one (like generic humbucker, not as bright as the old ones) I'm not a pro though, so it was "close enough" for me, but I started looking for original pups to swap in. Now there's a guy/company making exact copies of the WR pups, and they can mod your RI pups to sound like the old ones. I actually bought a couple sets of pups for mine, someone aged a set of the RI pups and passed them off as originals (GRRR!) but I found a pair of NOS ones that went in. Then I got laid off, and my daughter needed heart surgery, so I sold it (at a loss, of course) so I don't have the guitar anymore.
If I was to get another one, I'd definitely get a Squier and stick P90's in it, since I know it isn't worth it to me to spend the $$$ to make one sound like an old one.
 
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I know a guy who worked at Fender. He said the 3 bolt design was not the problem–CBS ownership was constantly trying to keep costs down which resulted in machines not getting maintained/replaced and quality control tolerances being relaxed which resulted in more products being sold with quality issues not acceptable under Leo's ownership.

There's a slight design difference, the G&L middle screw is an actual screw rather than a bolt, and it fastens to wood rather than the metal disc of the Fender. Overall the G&L is just much, much tighter as stated. Doesn't wiggle.
 
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I have several of the G&L 3-bolts, and I love them...I and many others were upset when they went to the 4-bolt. (The 3-bolt makes set up so easy!) We were told that the change was made because of the many negative attitudes towards the '70s Fender necks. It's a good design, but sometimes the marketing guys win out.

Bill
 
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What is different between the old Fender 3 bolt neck and the G&L? Is the G&L more stable? Does it use machine screws and inserts?

I've never played let alone owned a G&L... yet. I've also never taken a neck off off a CBS three bolt Fender, but I've come across plenty of CBS era the bolt guitars that the neck joint was very poorly crafted resulting in some pretty unstable necks. And since this was occurring at the same time the three bolt design was coming into use, I think there are alot of people out there who believe that the two are connected. The neck joint on my RI is just as tight and stable as it is on any of my other modern production Fenders and Squires.
 
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Well, I am familiar with Fender's original 3 bold design, too. I still think Jimi Hendrix and Ritchie Blackmore sell a lot of 70s style Fenders, otherwise this idea would go away. I think it would be fine with stable necks, and machine screws, though.
 
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Of course the 3-bolt didn't work when the neck pockets were being cut as sloppy as they were in the 70's. Neck pockets today are near perfect.
 
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