finally! Bogner shipment arrives!

Hot _Grits

Buttery Toneologist
...at long last, the Bogner shipment finally arrived at my part-time work: a V30 loaded 4x12, an Uberschall head and uberkab, a Duende 1x12 and a Shiva 2x12 EL34 reverb.

The Uber is the only model I have previous time on, and it sold the morning it was unwrapped to a local kid. It stayed around so a few dudes could demo it over the weekend, so I had the 'pleasure' of hearing a grindcore dude do his thing for three quarters of an hour. It's really not an amp that is designed with me in mind, but it does what it does really well. The uberkab works very well with it too. I like the black cloth grille with silver piping this one came with, too. Never been a fan of that jagged metal look.

The Duende was a little cutie. Not a whole lot of volume, which suggests to me it's best for quiet giggers and home/studio players. I was really impressed by the clean sounds, which reminded me of my old vibrolux in terms of midrange character, despite it running a G12H30 rather than 10s of any kind. The reverb was very nice, and the trem was very good, if a little more towards the helicopter chop end of things. The clean channel also had some nice pushed drive sounds. Overall, this channel reminded me of a slightly dark, thick BF deluxe reverb.

The Duende's overdrive channel was a mixed bag. Things got a bit woofy and suffered from being perhaps a bit too throaty as the volume and gain is pushed up. Reinhold has done a great job of restraining the wilder characteristics of the 6V6 under overdrive (probably a big reason for the restrained overall volume output of the amp), but in it's stock 1x12 configuration i felt the overdrive was a tad muddled sounding.

The Shiva was a very different beast. I can totally see why this amp is the end of the road for many players. The clean channel was fantastic, with even better reverb than the Duende. EL34s, channel switching and V30s is usually a recipe for a very uninspiring clean, but this amp has one of the nicest blackface-voiced cleans of any amp I've heard. The overdrive channel was again was a mixed bag. I really disliked the overall tone with the bright switch disengaged, regardless of what guitar I used. It seemed like there was this weird midrange peak that made the amp sound like it was barking, but not in a good old marshall kind of way. This didn't change with brighter guitars either.

Switching the bright in made the overdrive channel come alive and sound more natural. Set up like this I heard a modded marshall character overall, more toward the 80s camp than the 70s camp. The tone was more direct than woody, more Van Halen than Humble Pie. The chunk on the overdrive channel is superb sounding: muting power chords was very fun indeed. I couldn't really dial in a warm enough tone for my tastes, though, even with Soldano-like low presence and treble settings. I felt like I needed to switch the bright off, but when I did do that the weird midrange thing popped up again.

Overall, I can see the appeal of the Shiva. It would knock a lot of top 40, classic rock and modern rock players' gig requirements out of the ballpark, all while sounding and playing great. For me, the tones aren't quite the voicings I'm after, but I'm sure there are TONS of players out there looking for a great blackfacey clean and a slightly Van Halenesque drive in one box. Especially in the States.

One thing I've gotta say about the Duende and Shiva: they play amazingly. I don't know what he does, but the feel of the amps as you play is VERY seductive. It's like there's a hidden talent/chops boost switch or something. I imagine a lot of players fall in love with the feel alone. it's something I've not experienced in any other amps apart from some models in the Victoria line.

So in the end, They turned out like I expected: really nice amps, but not quite for me. I don't want to use that classic Gear Page backhanded compliment of 'nice for a channel switcher', as the sounds are top class, but I definitely prefer the slightly rootsier, wilder tones of simpler designs.

So, due to the probable sale of two Ubers, next order will hopefully bring in an Ecstasy, which would be a good move while the US promisary note is so weak. I can't wait to hear what that amp can do.

Meanwhile, a very early run MI Audio revelation will turn up before that. MI's head desgner/owner dude is an Ecstasy owner and a friend of Reinhold's, and my friend/boss visited them in Sydney last weekend to check it out. He said that alongside the Ecstasy the Revelation sounded very impressive and held it's own extremely well, whilst still having it's own thing. Should be interesting.
 
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You really know how to get the G.A.S. turned on ...don't you?? Nice reviews BTW, very informative and fun to read.

-dave
 
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pics or it didn't happen :D

you lucky sod! i wish my part time job included anything like this!
 
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pics or it didn't happen :D

you lucky sod! i wish my part time job included anything like this!

I'm not complaining, that's for sure. If there's one bummer it's that ordering is conservative, so I'll have to wait to try an Ecstasy.

I've got some pics of tracking for the Defendants album that'll give you guys a good idea of the place. I'll post them up sometime soon.

So many amps yet to try: the big wattage 65s, /13, Headstrong, the top range Egnater stuff...
 
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I've been wanting to play a Shiva for a long time now. No dealers around here, though.
 
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I would love to try the Shiva, XTC, and the Uber, but I can't afford to buy all 3 to check em out. Sometimes I wish there was a place that I could try amps side by side like that. We got pretty much every Marshall and Mesa, but every once in a while, they will trade for something cool.
 
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Glad to see you finally got to check out some Bogner stuff, Grits!

The Shiva definitely has a pretty unique sound to it. Mine is an older one without the bright switches and it has a pretty warm, round sound with a good amount of compression (one thing players either love or hate) and it is a pretty midrange heavy amp, so I can understand why some players don't like it. For me, it seems to fit in the band context without stepping all over the other instruments, but it is a rather unique sound.

This is why I always laugh at all the posts that say "this" or "that" is the greatest amp EVAR and a lot of people don't realize that one person's specific needs may be way different from anothers. I'm looking forward to seeing more reviews from you :)
 
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Glad to see you finally got to check out some Bogner stuff, Grits!

The Shiva definitely has a pretty unique sound to it. Mine is an older one without the bright switches and it has a pretty warm, round sound with a good amount of compression (one thing players either love or hate) and it is a pretty midrange heavy amp, so I can understand why some players don't like it. For me, it seems to fit in the band context without stepping all over the other instruments, but it is a rather unique sound.

This is why I always laugh at all the posts that say "this" or "that" is the greatest amp EVAR and a lot of people don't realize that one person's specific needs may be way different from anothers. I'm looking forward to seeing more reviews from you :)

Thanks! -I'll definitely run the rule over the MI Audio Revelation when it gets here. I'd love to hear an older Shiva like yours and compare. You're right about the uniqueness of the tone, it definitely has it's own thing going on. Very cool.
 
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Cool review. Now, I can't wait to see/hear the MI Audio Revelation.

I like seeing the next generations of complex tube amps. People shouldn't be any more turned off to it than they would with giant analog mixing boards. It's great to see tube technology move forward. They're finally getting the tones up to pace with versatility.
 
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Cool review. Now, I can't wait to see/hear the MI Audio Revelation.

I like seeing the next generations of complex tube amps. People shouldn't be any more turned off to it than they would with giant analog mixing boards. It's great to see tube technology move forward. They're finally getting the tones up to pace with versatility.

Yeah, it seems that the circuit paths are cleaner in the newer amps. I heard an TSL at a gig last saturday and the JVM is utterly superior in every way.

It helps that recent multichannel amps have been really well laid out. The MI Audio is similar to the roadster/king in that respect (apparently there was a roadking sitting around at MI Audio HQ as well). There's some very cool stuff going on in the Revelation: multiple, midi or non midi assignable effects loops, and clean, od and lead modes for each of the four channels.

According to my mate the MI audio guy doesn't so much think of the amp as separate channels as much as seperate decades, each with it's own clean, pushed and lead. My friend really liked channels 2 and 3.

Looks like the next bogner order has been placed: two ubers and an XTC101B with all the trimmings...
 
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<--- Proud Ecstasy 101B owner.

I need to try a Shiva again... i tried one once and didn't like it. Good cleans but very spiky and thin overdrive. I MUST have been doing something wrong or maybe the amp had a bum tube. It happens. Anyone got any recordings of their Shivas?
 
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Bogner has a ton of sound clips of their gear on their site, i personally just bought a new Shiva, (6L6) tubes, i love the hell out of it, its actually one of the nicest amp combos i have ever played in my 31 years of playing,
<--- Proud Ecstasy 101B owner.

I need to try a Shiva again... i tried one once and didn't like it. Good cleans but very spiky and thin overdrive. I MUST have been doing something wrong or maybe the amp had a bum tube. It happens. Anyone got any recordings of their Shivas?
 
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Ahhh yes how could I forget about those? I'll check those out.

It's weird, the shiva clips on the bogner site are the weakest of any of the amps. I'd say the amp I tried was better than the clips I've heard.

Maybe it's just that the ecstasy, duende and uber clips are so amazing...
 
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uuuuber!!! uber mega metal!! *drools some on the uuuber*
 
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