For the "Hardcore Warmoth Fans".....

[Zerberus]

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Yeah I think building a warmoth guitar to clone another defeats the purpose. Zerbs right, it's still pretty expensive and it's not like you're saving a load of money. The reason I'm doing my warmoth build is because I've never found a guitar that has all of the things I like. There's nothing available for what I have in mind. Plus it's something I'd like to build myself. I enjoy constructing things. It would be a player and I'd never sell it. So I don't care about the resale value.

And these, or examples like Colma, are the reasons that people SHOULD turn to Warmoth, (Jackson/Charvel, ESP, or another custom shop if they want the extra "mojo"), I see that we´re on the same wavelength here :beerchug:

 

[FretFire]

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*cough* EDIT!!

i know someone who does body work =)...VERY nice work @ that, ill probably slide by with $100-200 for a neck+body finish =)

Well, then you're very lucky . This is definitely an exception though, not the rule.

 

[FretFire]

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just pulling his leg. hehhehe

this is a really serious thread.

*pulls poker face.

Sorry, there was nothing in your post that hinted you were joking :smack: My bad.

 

[stevie_bees]

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Just my 2c. If I'm spending big bucks, then I won't be building it myself. If it all went wrong then I would be staring at a big pile of expensive spares. I would like to know that the instrument I was paying for was excellent in all aspects. Mind you, I don't have the skills to put 1 together and guarantee a top notch setup. I don't have the luxury of disposable cash, so have to choose my purchases really carefully, can't afford mistakes. I think I would take the ready made guitar over the Warmoth.

 

[Zerberus]

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BTW, I´m sorry if I came off as an Ass to anybody... But sometimes you just gotta say it, andd this is something that I think a few of you may have noticed has been getting me for a while....

Again, Warmoth is great, but taking custom built guitars, especially from most top name US companies like Suhr, Anderson, Grosh and J/C and putting them in the same ring, then saying that the Warmoth is better on the sole premise that the cost of the parts are cheaper is just wrong.... There is simply a difference, IMO a large one, between manufacturing replacement parts and building guitars, many aspects come into play that you don´t have to worry about with single parts.... Even Warmoth doesn´t guarantee that a guitar built out of their parts that it will be good, or even playable.....

If a Guitar were just a few parts, we´d we see hundreds of "Warmoth Luthiers" stealing all the glory from J/C, Fender, G&L and Anderson on eBay.... Thank god there´s a reason we don´t

 

[Pierre]

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People actually said that warmoth was better? Or just cheaper?

 

[stevie_bees]

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If a Guitar were just a few parts, we´d we see hundreds of "Warmoth Luthiers" stealing all the glory from J/C, Fender, G&L and Anderson on eBay.... Thank god there´s a reason we don´t

Good call. I would love to have to skills to make that 1 off guitar of a lifetime, but until then, my G&L Legacy rules. :notworthy

 

[FretFire]

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People actually said that warmoth was better? Or just cheaper?

Both if I recall correctly. Or at least the same quality for less.

 

[TheArchitect]

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Well, the assumption of such perfection of every Jackson off the line just isn't true. They are not perfect. Generally speaking, to assume that Jackson's luthiers are superior to everyone on the planet is also a stretch. Its entirely possible a local artisan could match that quality level. "Better" is a direct result of the builders skill not where the parts are bought from.

As for Warmoth, I've built about a dozen or so. True I have the skills to build them to a high level but you also need to keep in mind just a few years ago it was very possible to do it cheaper. Warmoth's prices have gone up significantly in recent years.

Now for my completely biased commentary. I would put mine up against anything out there. Its built to exactly my spec and no one builds this combo of specs that I have found. Which ultimately why I went the Warmoth route in the first place. (Hint Its the one on the left.)

http://members.toast.net/dwyss/pics/VH.jpg

 

[nuntius]

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What specs are they?

 

[Zerberus]

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Well, the assumption of such perfection of every Jackson off the line just isn't true. They are not perfect.

Which I never stated. But I know for a fact than flawed parts are immediately scrapped, and flawed guitars are not knowingly sold (which is not to say Warmoth does so, or that Jackson never ships a bad one by accident)... but that´s what I meant by no factory seconds.... Please ask if you don´t know what I mean instead of just putting words into my mouth... I could have just as well used Tom Anderson or John Suhr, BTW, who have also been named multiple times in this thread. NO difference

Generally speaking, to assume that Jackson's luthiers are superior to everyone on the planet is also a stretch. Its entirely possible a local artisan could match that quality level. "Better" is a direct result of the builders skill not where the parts are bought from.

Also never, ever stated, nor even realistically considered. Possibly implied by the fretwork comment, but I challenge you to find better fretwork ANYWHERE, period.... There is also a level which cannot be exceeded in most things, and Jacksons fretwork is consistently on that level, unlike some other US Manufacturers

And all of the rest is exactly what I´ve been saying. I´m a luthier myself, do you think I´d be stupid enough toi shoot myself in teh foot by claiming someone is better than I? I´m sorry, bro but just how stupid do you think I am?

In all honesty: You seem to me to have some problem either with simply reading my posts without thinking into them trying to find some sort of nonexistent deeper meaning, or otherwise possibly a problem with my character....if this is true, please PM me, I´m sure we can find a solution.... If not, please excuse me for thinking too much into your posts

Sorry, but my impression is just Zerb + Jackson = Something to shoot at, and even If I´m wrong it´s starting to annoy me, because every time you "counter" my posts attempting to dissect statements I never made...

But either way, please refrain from putting words into my mouth if possible, this is the second time in recent history, and I really don´t enjoy it. I write exactly what I mean, If it´s not there explicitly, I´m not saying it. Thank you

 

[Colma]

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with all due respect i dont think that anybody said " ZERB SAID THIS: blah blah blah "

as defensive as your getting over the whole subject it just kinda seems more like " guilty concious " than it does " people putting words in your mouth " nobody is out to get you bro, they're just voicing what they think.

 

[JacksonMIA]

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Zerb, I'm with you on this one. I actually thought about building a Warmoth guitar before I got my Soloist. Nothing I could find fit what I was looking for - 24 frets and an OFR, among other things. The closest I could find was an MIJ Jackson, but they're only a couple hundred cheaper than a MIA then after almost $200 for an OFR, bye-bye warranty. Finally I found a dealer close by that had an MIA soloist. I picked it up and fell in love. And considering I can't paint (good enough for a guitar) and at the time didn't know anything about setting up a guitar, there's no way I could have got one for less than $1400 from Warmoth - and it would not have near the playability of mine.

That said, I'll probably still get a Warmoth guitar, so I can get something crazy looking with a reverse headstock and stuff. I'm still itching for a Custom Shop Jackson/Charvel, too.

 

[Xeromus]

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I wish I could afford the custom shop route though. I would prefer to send my specs and have them build a sweet guitar for me and then send it out, but I can't afford it. Warmoth it is for the time being. Plus the nice thing is I can order one thing at a time as the money comes in.

 

[TheArchitect]

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“The tuner holes still have to be reamed, the guitar has to be assembled and set up, the frets will need to be dressed to perfection if you want perfect playability....."

If the Warmoth needs to be perfect you are implying the Jackson is.

“Playability of a USA Jackson IMO is something a stock Warmoth cannot match...”

Warmoth makes parts not guitars. To say they cannot match a Jackson most definitely implies that the builders are not up to the skill level of the Jackson builders.

“Just because you can build it cheaper doesn’t mean it’s in any way better or of equal quality. It may even be "worse" for the same cash”

I actually agree with this statement and it is open to interpretation but again, to me you certainly seem to be implying that the Jackson build is superior to what another builder could accomplish.

“You can build a great guitar from Warmoth, and you can copy a lot of things should you so desire... But assuming that a parts guitar is on par with a handmade (just cheaper), regardless of brand, is a big mistake..”

This is certainly open to interpretation but your tone certainly implied to me that you feel Jackson superior on all counts.

If you don’t agree that’s fine by me but that was my interpretation of it and I stand by it.


Perhaps you should stop with the attitude that this is a personal attack on you and consider the fact that your words are interpreted by every person who reads them not just me. Just because you don't say something verbatim does not mean the reader doesn't infer things from the phrasing and tone you use. When you phrase things with a hint of attitude (i.e I can't believe they could think that) and an air of superiority your provoking people to cross examine you as you put it. If you don't like that I can't help you. That is human nature. The authoritarian tone you took on this topic put just about everyone on the defensive. Even the people like me who generally agree with what you are saying.

"Sorry, but my impression is just Zerb + Jackson = Something to shoot at"

I haven't seen anyone say this let alone me. You are allowed to infer meaning from others words but when people do the same to you you have a hissy fit? You need to check yourself.

Up to this point I have never had any issue with you. But I'm beginning to......

 

[Boleslaw Gers 666]

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Satisfaction of having your own 'custom' guitar = priceless.

Why can't you do that with a different company? I have literally constructed a strat in my room today, just need to take it to get the new pickups that I installed in the new pickguard soldered in. I've attached a new neck, new pickguard, new pickups, new tone knobs, new switch knob, new trem bar, new tuners, and now I just need new pots and pickups to be soldered in. I'm too afraid of screwing it up to do it myself. But it's still custom, and it's pure Fender/Seymour Duncan..... not Warmoth.

 

[Mewmender]

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I just recently sold off all my MIM fenders and replaced them with a strat and tele built from warmoth parts + fender necks + SD pups and IMO they are way better then any MIM i played and even some MIA fenders :dance:

 

[theodie]

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I just recently sold off all my MIM fenders and replaced them with a strat and tele built from warmoth parts + fender necks and IMO they are way better then any MIM i played and even some stock MIA fenders :dance:

Thats not a suprise at all. They are better than probally 85% of the stuff out there.

 

[ex-250]

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im eventually gonna make a warmoth RR, one that i would otherwise have to get done by the jackson custom shop. which would cost 3 times more if i went that route, and thered be a long waiting period. now the moral of this story is, IM A CHEAP IMPATIENT BASTARD! :laugh2: what you gotta take into account here is how different people's minds work. im quite the penny pincher, and absolutely hate waiting around for stuff.

 

[Mewmender]

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im eventually gonna make a warmoth RR, one that i would otherwise have to get done by the jackson custom shop. which would cost 3 times more if i went that route, and thered be a long waiting period. now the moral of this story is, IM A CHEAP IMPATIENT BASTARD! :laugh2: what you gotta take into account here is how different people's minds work. im quite the penny pincher, and absolutely hate waiting around for stuff.

same here... i got my warmoth strat pieced together in 2hrs and my Tele in 4 hrs :dance: