For the sake of discussion. Can you make a british amp sound american?
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GuitarStv
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Re: For the sake of discussion. Can you make a british amp sound american?
Well, if you have a clean British tone, you could probably get an EQ pedal and play around to get somthing close . . . the problem is that most of the British tones that I've heard are distorted/compressed a fair amount, where many of the best American tones are cleaner and more dynamic. For this reason I think it would be easier to make an American sounding amp go British than vice versa (you can always add gain with pedals, but try taking it away . . . that's the challenge).
Well, if you have a clean British tone, you could probably get an EQ pedal and play around to get somthing close . . . the problem is that most of the British tones that I've heard are distorted/compressed a fair amount, where many of the best American tones are cleaner and more dynamic. For this reason I think it would be easier to make an American sounding amp go British than vice versa (you can always add gain with pedals, but try taking it away . . . that's the challenge).
JacksonMIA
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Re: For the sake of discussion. Can you make a british amp sound american?
Yeah, but it takes years to beat that horrible accent out of it.
Yeah, but it takes years to beat that horrible accent out of it.
Rushfan2112
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Re: For the sake of discussion. Can you make a british amp sound american?
I thought Peaveys were american voice. Shows how much I know.
Well, I'm probably wrong about this, but isn't the tonestack before the preamp on a Fender, and after the preamp in a Marshall? Throw an EQ in the FX loop and you're on your way! (ooops, that's for american-->british!) Maybe try an american voiced speaker, too.
I thought Peaveys were american voice. Shows how much I know.
Well, I'm probably wrong about this, but isn't the tonestack before the preamp on a Fender, and after the preamp in a Marshall? Throw an EQ in the FX loop and you're on your way! (ooops, that's for american-->british!) Maybe try an american voiced speaker, too.
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Lake Placid Blues
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Re: For the sake of discussion. Can you make a british amp sound american?
Tweeds and Marshalls are esssentially the same basic design. Black Faces are a little different. Going to extra clean 6L6 type tubes, a 12AT7 PI, and American voiced speakers, instead of Celestion voiced, will Americanize a British voicing a bit. If you want to switch back and forth instantley, then that's more of a problem, but that might be accomplished with gain as suggested above?
Isn't the Peavy Classic 50 a tweed clone? I'm not that familar with the Peavy 50 though.
The best solution is two good, no compromize fairly dynamic amps, and A-B switching, such as what EJ does. This way he has a variety of British tones in his fingers, and a variety of American tones in his fingers.
Tweeds and Marshalls are esssentially the same basic design. Black Faces are a little different. Going to extra clean 6L6 type tubes, a 12AT7 PI, and American voiced speakers, instead of Celestion voiced, will Americanize a British voicing a bit. If you want to switch back and forth instantley, then that's more of a problem, but that might be accomplished with gain as suggested above?
Isn't the Peavy Classic 50 a tweed clone? I'm not that familar with the Peavy 50 though.
The best solution is two good, no compromize fairly dynamic amps, and A-B switching, such as what EJ does. This way he has a variety of British tones in his fingers, and a variety of American tones in his fingers.
shredaholic
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Re: For the sake of discussion. Can you make a british amp sound american?
You can... ....but why would you want to?
You can... ....but why would you want to?
Nightburst
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Re: For the sake of discussion. Can you make a british amp sound american?
Yes! Put a TS-9 in front of it.
It's the tried and true formula:
British + Japanese = American
Yes! Put a TS-9 in front of it.
It's the tried and true formula:
British + Japanese = American
kevlar3000
Bullet Proof Toneologist
Re: For the sake of discussion. Can you make a british amp sound american?
Mess with speakers, there are dramatic things that can happen... I would check out Emi's Patriot line.
Mess with speakers, there are dramatic things that can happen... I would check out Emi's Patriot line.
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Lewguitar
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Re: For the sake of discussion. Can you make a british amp sound american?
Really, I don't think there's much difference...especially since Marshall JTM-45's and Plexis are almost a complete clone of the '59 Fender 5F6-A tweed Bassman. Even the Vox AC30 is a Bassman knock off.
It's mostly in the speakers: Celestions have the classic British tone and Jensens and JBLs have the classic US tone.
I use UK made Celestians in my 50's tweed Delxues and my 60's Deluxe Reverbs....gives them a little more of a British tone.
I saw Mick Taylor with John Mayall 30 or 40 years ago and he was wailing through a tweed Bassman...sounded like a cranked Marshall to me.
I went out and found one right after that. Peeled off the tweed and replaced it with some spiffy orange naugahyde. :smack: :laugh2: Oh well....we all used to do stuff like that back then.
Lew
Really, I don't think there's much difference...especially since Marshall JTM-45's and Plexis are almost a complete clone of the '59 Fender 5F6-A tweed Bassman. Even the Vox AC30 is a Bassman knock off.
It's mostly in the speakers: Celestions have the classic British tone and Jensens and JBLs have the classic US tone.
I use UK made Celestians in my 50's tweed Delxues and my 60's Deluxe Reverbs....gives them a little more of a British tone.
I saw Mick Taylor with John Mayall 30 or 40 years ago and he was wailing through a tweed Bassman...sounded like a cranked Marshall to me.
I went out and found one right after that. Peeled off the tweed and replaced it with some spiffy orange naugahyde. :smack: :laugh2: Oh well....we all used to do stuff like that back then.
Lew
Re: For the sake of discussion. Can you make a british amp sound american?
I think you can get DAMN close, esp with good EQs, Limiters, and compressors.
LOVE hmmm close but, they will lose certain characteristics - such as the way they react when you spank them.
Amps that Fake Fender well (to my knowledge) - Marshall Bluesbreaker (at lower vol), JTM45, 6100, Bogner Shiva, Ecstasy, Peavey Classic 50 (yes I said it), Budda, Riveras (though it IS American, as are some of the others), select Hiwatts.
I think you can get DAMN close, esp with good EQs, Limiters, and compressors.
LOVE hmmm close but, they will lose certain characteristics - such as the way they react when you spank them.
Amps that Fake Fender well (to my knowledge) - Marshall Bluesbreaker (at lower vol), JTM45, 6100, Bogner Shiva, Ecstasy, Peavey Classic 50 (yes I said it), Budda, Riveras (though it IS American, as are some of the others), select Hiwatts.
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BigDaddy
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Re: For the sake of discussion. Can you make a british amp sound american?
No matter what amp I play through I still seem to sound like an American.
How does one sound more British or more American?
Does Jeff Beck sound more American if he plays through a Fender amp?
I think people think and worry too much about their equipment and not their playing.
No matter what amp I play through I still seem to sound like an American.
How does one sound more British or more American?
Does Jeff Beck sound more American if he plays through a Fender amp?
I think people think and worry too much about their equipment and not their playing.
The Golden Boy
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Re: For the sake of discussion. Can you make a british amp sound american?
With amps as inexpensive as they are, there's no reason to go effing around with amps.
Seriously, why?shredaholic said:You can... ....but why would you want to?
With amps as inexpensive as they are, there's no reason to go effing around with amps.
Re: For the sake of discussion. Can you make a british amp sound american?
Might be true, but you will not find a mesa sound anywhere else but mesa.
I always sound british through everything, then I noodled on a mesa and I sounded american heh... I liked that little taste I got, and I would like something like that in pedal form. (I think it was either a single or dual rect.)
BigDaddy said:
Might be true, but you will not find a mesa sound anywhere else but mesa.
I always sound british through everything, then I noodled on a mesa and I sounded american heh... I liked that little taste I got, and I would like something like that in pedal form. (I think it was either a single or dual rect.)
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