Found a local made Les Paul copy that looks promising

Re: Found a local made Les Paul copy that looks promising

I guess it's different for you, but my forearm keeps flipping it unintentionally when I tap..gets worse if I'm sitting. I mentioned it before somewhere..
 
Re: Found a local made Les Paul copy that looks promising

A lot of guys don't tap; none of the bands I see live do.

I never do it on my Les Pauls. For me, the tension, scale length, and action just aren't quite right. I don't play them the same way as I play my other guitars.
 
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A lot of guys don't tap; none of the bands I see live do.

Yeah, well I just mentioned that the guy was spot on about the traditional LP toggle being in exactly the wrong place for anyone who does tap..

Personally I would rather (and generally do..) use my pointies and superstrats for that. It's not that it's impossible with a Les Paul..it's just a bit uncomfortable & inconvenient.

However ...like all problems ..one works around it :D



(Yes....it's in ^^ there somewhere :lmao:)
 
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He's spot on about the switch though..that placement's a PIA when you're tapping..

Ed didn't play a Les Paul a lot, but if you can find pics / video of him playing one you'd notice that he reversed the pickup switch. The bridge pickup was in the 'up' position instead of 'down', so hitting the switch by mistake is less likely.
 
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What the guy said was:

You'll also notice that the toggle is in a much easier to reach place. It also won't get in your way when you're tapping away like Eddie....
which was'nt a reference to Eddie or Eddie playing Les Paul's...it's a reference to tapping as a technique & the way traditional LP switches can get in the way..

But it's an interesting titbit about Eddie there...did'nt know he did that (reversed the switch)
 
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What the guy said was:

which was'nt a reference to Eddie or Eddie playing Les Paul's...it's a reference to tapping as a technique & the way traditional LP switches can get in the way..

But it's an interesting titbit about Eddie there...did'nt know he did that (reversed the switch)

I noticed that with his signature Peavey a number of years ago. It came reversed out of the box; I think the idea was that, if you hit it, it was already in the position that you'd knock the thing.
 
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First of all, 2 volume 2 tone is a great setup and anyone who get's confused needs to spend about 10 minutes more with a Les Paul (notice I didn't question whether anybody liked it, but spoke specifically about the confusion that the CMG website talks about).

From the CMG website "The Ashlee US is designed with "only what you need". You know, you just don't need two volume knobs and two tone knobs. That might have been a good idea for yesteryear, but let's face it–we've evolved as guitarists. I can't tell you how many times I've turned the wrong volume knob up and thought to myself: 'Why is this even here?'"

I may not need 2 volume and 2 tone knobs but I sure as hell like having them. One trick I like to do is to roll the neck tone knob off completely off and play that through a fuzz pedal for a classic analogue synth sound, and then be able to switch to the bridge pickup for a total rock rhythm. You can't make that switch quick enough with only a 1 vol 1 tone setup.

Second of all, looking at the pictures on the My Les Paul thread, I think that the bodies and necks are made in Asia and then CMG buys them and puts them together. Specifically, looking at the control cavities, there is enough space in the CMG guitars for 2 volume 2 tone, when the website specifically states that they only do 1 vol 1 tone controls. If the bodies and necks were build in America by CMG, why would they rout more wood out of the body than what needed to be routed for the basic controls that they put in there? So this company that is claiming MIA, is only assembled in America. Nothing wrong with either, but don't label it as one when it's clearly the other.

Last, but not least, I would like to point out that he calls his company CMG which according to his website stands for Chris Mitchell Guitars and then he puts CMG Guitars on the top of his site, which is redundant. It's like saying "ATM Machine". The "M" in ATM stands for "Machine" so you're basically saying "Automated Teller Machine Machine." I would like for him to fix this.
 
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Fact of the matter is that he is saving time and work by only having to route only one cavity and no wire channel. Also saving a few bucks on pots and wire. I don't know if it's the real reason why the switch is where he puts it and he only has 1V 1T but if it is, he should just leave it alone and not try and sell it like a plus feature. That aside, if he's making a good instrument, in the USA and under 1K then he is offering a quality option to those who may not have the cash for one of the bigger names. Or for anyone who likes the guitar and is fine with the controls. I haven't seen one of his guitars but personally, I hope they are great guitars. We've sold ourselves to Asia. I'm all for another quality, American guitar manufacturer, no matter how small.
 
Re: Found a local made Les Paul copy that looks promising

First of all, 2 volume 2 tone is a great setup and anyone who get's confused needs to spend about 10 minutes more with a Les Paul (notice I didn't question whether anybody liked it, but spoke specifically about the confusion that the CMG website talks about).

From the CMG website "The Ashlee US is designed with "only what you need". You know, you just don't need two volume knobs and two tone knobs. That might have been a good idea for yesteryear, but let's face it–we've evolved as guitarists. I can't tell you how many times I've turned the wrong volume knob up and thought to myself: 'Why is this even here?'"

I may not need 2 volume and 2 tone knobs but I sure as hell like having them. One trick I like to do is to roll the neck tone knob off completely off and play that through a fuzz pedal for a classic analogue synth sound, and then be able to switch to the bridge pickup for a total rock rhythm. You can't make that switch quick enough with only a 1 vol 1 tone setup.

Second of all, looking at the pictures on the My Les Paul thread, I think that the bodies and necks are made in Asia and then CMG buys them and puts them together. Specifically, looking at the control cavities, there is enough space in the CMG guitars for 2 volume 2 tone, when the website specifically states that they only do 1 vol 1 tone controls. If the bodies and necks were build in America by CMG, why would they rout more wood out of the body than what needed to be routed for the basic controls that they put in there? So this company that is claiming MIA, is only assembled in America. Nothing wrong with either, but don't label it as one when it's clearly the other.

Last, but not least, I would like to point out that he calls his company CMG which according to his website stands for Chris Mitchell Guitars and then he puts CMG Guitars on the top of his site, which is redundant. It's like saying "ATM Machine". The "M" in ATM stands for "Machine" so you're basically saying "Automated Teller Machine Machine." I would like for him to fix this.
Take a look at the video I posted

They can fit 4 pots, but 4 pots and a switch is pushing it....
 
Re: Found a local made Les Paul copy that looks promising

First of all, 2 volume 2 tone is a great setup and anyone who get's confused needs to spend about 10 minutes more with a Les Paul (notice I didn't question whether anybody liked it, but spoke specifically about the confusion that the CMG website talks about).

From the CMG website "The Ashlee US is designed with "only what you need". You know, you just don't need two volume knobs and two tone knobs. That might have been a good idea for yesteryear, but let's face it–we've evolved as guitarists. I can't tell you how many times I've turned the wrong volume knob up and thought to myself: 'Why is this even here?'"

I may not need 2 volume and 2 tone knobs but I sure as hell like having them. One trick I like to do is to roll the neck tone knob off completely off and play that through a fuzz pedal for a classic analogue synth sound, and then be able to switch to the bridge pickup for a total rock rhythm. You can't make that switch quick enough with only a 1 vol 1 tone setup.

Second of all, looking at the pictures on the My Les Paul thread, I think that the bodies and necks are made in Asia and then CMG buys them and puts them together. Specifically, looking at the control cavities, there is enough space in the CMG guitars for 2 volume 2 tone, when the website specifically states that they only do 1 vol 1 tone controls. If the bodies and necks were build in America by CMG, why would they rout more wood out of the body than what needed to be routed for the basic controls that they put in there? So this company that is claiming MIA, is only assembled in America. Nothing wrong with either, but don't label it as one when it's clearly the other.

Last, but not least, I would like to point out that he calls his company CMG which according to his website stands for Chris Mitchell Guitars and then he puts CMG Guitars on the top of his site, which is redundant. It's like saying "ATM Machine". The "M" in ATM stands for "Machine" so you're basically saying "Automated Teller Machine Machine." I would like for him to fix this.

Great points man
 
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Last, but not least, I would like to point out that he calls his company CMG which according to his website stands for Chris Mitchell Guitars and then he puts CMG Guitars on the top of his site, which is redundant.

Kind of like when people say AC current...
 
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Just got back from playing 2 of them

Holy Crap I think I might be in love. Beautiful top on the red one and has great response to touch.

In the 6-7min I played the two I try ed each position on the pickups and played around. So far I like them! Solid Humbucker tones, but don't sound too iconic to my ears even through a big ol' marshal head.

I'd personally replace the pups with a WLH set and I might custom order with a third or fourth pot.

I heard for a bit they had 4 controls, but the changed to avoid possible lawsuits.
 
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Take a look at the video I posted

They can fit 4 pots, but 4 pots and a switch is pushing it....

The point wasn't that they could put 4 controls in there (they could) but rather why would they take the time to rout out the additional wood from a guitar when they only need a small control cavity? Once again, it's more likely that he buys bodies and necks from Asian manufacturers and then finishes them and assembles the guitars than actually building the guitars from wood he routs himself.
 
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The point wasn't that they could put 4 controls in there (they could) but rather why would they take the time to rout out the additional wood from a guitar when they only need a small control cavity? Once again, it's more likely that he buys bodies and necks from Asian manufacturers and then finishes them and assembles the guitars than actually building the guitars from wood he routs himself.
As I said, watch the video

I doubt he staged all that in the video getting a CNC machine, place to setup ot all, several workers, all that wood in several points of creation just to fake it -_-
 
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The point wasn't that they could put 4 controls in there (they could) but rather why would they take the time to rout out the additional wood from a guitar when they only need a small control cavity? Once again, it's more likely that he buys bodies and necks from Asian manufacturers and then finishes them and assembles the guitars than actually building the guitars from wood he routs himself.

Maybe they're just routed that way so it's easy to mod later if the customer wants to.. (add another pair of tone/volume controls). If They were Chinese bodies and had the 4 control knob routing....then they'd have the switch channel/routing as well..
 
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I guess it's different for you, but my forearm keeps flipping it unintentionally when I tap..gets worse if I'm sitting. I mentioned it before somewhere..

I keep forgetting that some people use an awkward technique when tapping where they scrunch their shoulder up and hold their arm "Steven Hawking style" over the top half of the body, especially with a low-slung LP, rather than taking the strings from a proper angle and raising the guitar above their nuts.

If he's carving the body blanks and not just assembling base parts, he should be able to route a proper LP-style wiring channel for the toggle and cover the body with a cap.


But then people build the guitar they want, just like people swap stock pickups.
 
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I keep forgetting that some people use an awkward technique when tapping where they scrunch their shoulder up and hold their arm "Steven Hawking style" over the top half of the body, especially with a low-slung LP, rather than taking the strings from a proper angle and raising the guitar above their nuts. .

haha..good one :lmao: ..but seriously.. it's a feature of the 8-finger tapping technique that some of us employ ..it's not quite as "effortless" unless you give the Hawking thing a go :D
 
Re: Found a local made Les Paul copy that looks promising

Looks like from what I can gather is the CMG had a US and Import lineup setup, but the imports arnt being made anymore

The imports where apperently going for $375 new, compared the the nicer US model for $750.

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/chris-mitchell-guitars.930540/

If anyone can help me confirm this it would be great!

I am sure that they are legit, my store owner seems to be super in love with them and knows the owner well, I think.

I might see if I can get a custom order through my local shop for a 4 pot version in Georgia Sunburst

Edit: found an ad for an import I think http://mitchellguitars.blogspot.com/2011/12/chris-mitchell-guitars-ashlee-ga-honey.html?m=1
 
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Or he dropped the USA line and kept the imports, then raised the prices to the USA level.


Didn't see Jeff Watson hit his toggle when he 8-fingered.
 
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