Full Review of Line 6/Bogner Spider Valve

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Today, before going to a rehearsal to use my Bogner Ecstasy, I stopped in my local Sam Ash (Canoga Park, Ca), just to kill some time, and spotted the first Line 6/Bogner I've seen, the 1-12 combo.

You can read all the specs on the http://line6.com/spidervalve/ site, but I was pleased to see 2 6L6's, 2 12AX7's and a Celestion Vin 30. Also, the XLR out for live, or recording in tandem with a mic in front.

I decided to first plug in a PRS Singlecut and run it through all it's heaviest and midgain tones. I started heaviest, playing some Metallica and shred type stuff, and it dished out a lot of variety across the distorted tonal spectrum. The gain, EQ, and presence let me get darker Santana tones or crunchier metal tones, perfect for bedroom metal, not to mention tight high volume stage work. And trust me, it sounds great when it's loud and the Bogner designed power section is kicking in. The cabinet itself kept the lows pretty darn tight, even with the open back design. I can only imagine how awesome the 100W head on a 4-12 of vintage 30's will sound! They really did voice it like the Ecstasy red channel, Mesas, and highgain Marshalls. The gain and EQ is very tweakable, in order to really dial it in to your guitar.

One thing to note.....I hate being the guy in the store that scares everyone with a sudden blast of feedback, but the amp can get away from you very easily. I found myself having to turn the volumes down before any amp change, because any loud presets can throw it into feedback chaos. When you demo it, be VERY careful of this, because it's a tweakers amp, and will take some time to know it inside and out. ALWAYS turn it down when dialing it in, or you can get blasted with volume.

Moving on to a Fender Hot Rod 62 Strat for the midgain and clean tones. This is where mating modeling with tubes really matters. Normal modeling amps always have that sterile EQ'd transistor sound that is thin and leaves a lot to be desired. Once you get some decent volume on this amp, you can hear the power tubes, and it really sounds just as good as many Fender combos, plus the advantage of having gain to bring you right to the edge for great touch sensitity. By using the clean models or the midgain ones with lower gain, you can really model quite a few boutiquey, Voxy, or Fender tones.

One thing I noticed is a bit of crumbly gated sounds when the master volume is on 0 - 1. It seems like the mating of modeling and tubes is weakest there....or I just tried an amp with a bad volume pot.....I'm not sure. Or, I didn't figure out it's noisegate, or something. It really didn't bother me, because I liked having the master set at halfway, using the other volume as a main volume control.

The FX, although slightly limited in tweakability were stellar....definitely a cut above Vox. The reverb was nice and authentic sounding....not too digital sounding. I really liked it's delay and modulation FX, and although it's not as high-tech as the Vetta, there's a zillion presets on it to store separate sounds. I believe there's also 300 factory presets. I wish the tuner had LED's, but it's LCD screen gets the job done.

I have a feeling these little combos will see a lot of action in home studios, since they sound like a wall of stacks at the Forum, and have the thickness of tubes, as well as a quality Celestion Vintage 30 speaker. Micing it and using it's XLR out will be a breeze for recording huge tones late at night.

Overall, I'm really tempted to sell my Vox Valvetronix AD60VTH head, and either get the 100W head, or maybe even the 1-12 combo, which is PLENTY loud. What I REALLY wish Line 6 would do is offer a 40W head with 2 6L6's, like this combo I played today. That way, I could put it on my Bogner 2-12 cab at home. For home use the 100W head will be overkill, but amazing for a loud rehearsal or stage. I did notice that the 1-12's chassis had a plug for it's own speaker, and extra speaker outs. Hypothetically, I could put that chassis in a custom made headbox if I wanted. At least it isn't hardwired to it's speaker.

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All in all, this amp is a great amp at a very reasonable price.....well within reach of most players.....and it doesn't seem cheap like the other 'Spyder' combos. The cabinetry is done in a somewhat Bogner style. The only sign of cheapness was the vinyl faux leather handle on top.

The 1-12 combo is $699, the 2-12 is $829, and I think the head is $899.
Very decent prices, when you consider you could recoup half of it by selling your current SS modeler......and you'll probably want to once you hear it.

Years ago, I said that once the modeling and tube worlds come together, the tone and touch sensitivity will finally be there. Amps such as this are the future of 'cutting edge' amp building. There will always be all-tube amps, and there will always be state of the art solid state modeling amps, as well as die-hard fans of both, but this collaboration between Reinhold Bogner and Line 6 signals the beginning of a new way of looking at how amps are designed.
 
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You bastard. You just had to post a glowing review of the thing when I'm saving up to pay my wife's tuition. Please, for the sake of my sanity, delete this thread and we will never speak of it again.
 
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You bastard. You just had to post a glowing review of the thing when I'm saving up to pay my wife's tuition. Please, for the sake of my sanity, delete this thread and we will never speak of it again.

:D Start selling some stuff! And what's more important? Tone, or your wife trying to get smart? :33:
 
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Any impressions on how it sounded at bedroom levels ? I'm looking for something that can be a nice at home late night solution but that still can get a huge tone.

Being a 40 watter I sort of doubt this thing would really be that great for 1am
 
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The volume is very controllable, using it's 2 volumes in tandem. It's a little thinner and looser at conversation level, but still as good or better than most modelers.
Once you get it at a decent level, it morphs from a regular modeling sound to one where you can actually tell you're playing a tube amp.

Knowing Bogner, he pulls the most he can out of power tubes at lower volumes, which is evident on his own company's amps. I know that's what he was shooting for with the Spider Valve as well.
 
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how does it take pedals? mostly dirt.
 
Re: Full Review of Line 6/Bogner Spider Valve

how does it take pedals? mostly dirt.


Thats another question Im dying to know as all the digital modelers and basically SS amps in general never respond to well to OD and Dist pedals as it just makes them clip in that harsh digital manner
 
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how does it take pedals? mostly dirt.

I don't know, but I tend to not need them on amps that have all that gain on tap. In the past, I've noticed that only slight clean boosts sound good on modelers, because when you smack the digital front end with a dirt box, it can give a clipping sound.

With this amp and the floorboard, you can get about everything you need.
One thing I like about the Vox Valvetronix blue grill amps is the OD models before the amp models. It'd be nice if the Spider Valve had that, but it's highgain amp models have oodles of gain on their own.

I think I may sell my Valvetronix head and a some pickups and get that 1-12 combo. It'll be nice having something I can carry easily, that also covers all the sounds I want. Luckily, when it's turned up loud, it just sounds like a good tube amp like a Bogner Shiva combo.

I know Seymour Duncan uses his Flextone 1-12 combo as his main amp. Evan should persuade Seymour to buy the Spider Valve 1-12 combo, because it's SO much better.....and it's pretty cheap when you think about it. There's not many good sounding tube amps with a Celestion for $699. Heck...I'll bet Line 6 would GIVE Seymour one for free!
 
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hmm..i was thinking how it would sound with my cm plexitone..which responds to brit amps well mostly...being a 6l6 i have my doubts but hmmm..

it's amazing that it's diverse but traditional at the same time...technology is really amazing..

do most sam ash stores carry these? what about guitar center?
 
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Great Review!
I may try one next week for my own review.More High gain ,chugga and screaming harmonics testing...Spinal Puppet with tubes.....That sounds great!
 
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Even though it's 6L6, the Vintage 30 really voices it more British. The cleans are pretty impressive. I like how the presence knob really does it's job. The EQ is pretty sensitive, so you can really dial in the amount of punch vs sponginess.

This is a tweakers amp, so go into it understanding that you've got to use it for a few days to really get all the tones you want. A quick plug-in at the store might not do it. It was the same way with modelers I've had in the past. I liked it more at home than I did at the store, because I learned to find the goods.

But most of all....be careful when switching sounds on it. I almost gave the salespeople a heart attack when I hit a wrong button (the WWIII button), then scrambled to get the master back to 0.
 
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Dig...

How does it clean up & respond to playing dynamics?

Rolling the volume knob back... Hitting the strings harder or softer for more/less drive...

Overall did the tones have any of that typical 'phasey' midrange & top end plastic?
 
Re: Full Review of Line 6/Bogner Spider Valve

That amp seems really cool, I wish it was around when I was shopping for an amp earlier this yr. Oh well, maybe I'll get one in addition to my orange in a while.
 
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Interesting. Sounds like a cool gigging amp. Now does it really match up to a Shiva?
 
Re: Full Review of Line 6/Bogner Spider Valve

Interesting. Sounds like a cool gigging amp. Now does it really match up to a Shiva?

Dig...

How does it clean up & respond to playing dynamics?

Rolling the volume knob back... Hitting the strings harder or softer for more/less drive...

Overall did the tones have any of that typical 'phasey' midrange & top end plastic?

It's more touch sensitive than anything Line 6 has done so far. All the models sounded good, but it's subjective. Some may be useless to players, like most modelers....you tend to stick to the 3 or 4 favorites anyway.

All I can say is it is what it is...It's like taking a POD Pro and feeding it into a 40W power amp made by Bogner. I think any amp in the $700 price range is outgunned by the Spider Valve. They could have sold it for $1100, but $1600 would have been asking too much.

I'm glad they designed this to be affordable. They could have easily mated a Vetta III with Bogner, and tried to get $1900. I think they'll sell a lot of these.
 
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How bout the midgain stuff? Modelers have a tough time doing the not cranked plexi type sounds like the old ZZ top type sounds. Can this amp pull them off convincingly? Does it have a convincing JTM-45 type sound? No modeler that I've seen can touch the shoestrings of the Edana yet and I honestly wonder if they ever will.
 
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