Full Stacks Rule!

TwilightOdyssey

Darkness on the edge of Tone
I know there are a lot of strong feelings on the forum about whether a 1/2 stack is even necessary, but I have an interesting story to relate to you all:

I have a full stack, consisting of a Hiwatt 4x12 bottom and a Rivera 4x12 top. 2 months ago, we brought a new second guitarist into the band, and I split the stack in 1/2 and began using my Rivera head with the Hiwatt cab. Sounded great, I must say. I never fully appreciated the sound of the Hiwatt until I played this way.

Recently, that guitarist left the band to pursue other things, and I was able to put my full stack back together again. For the past couple of rehearsals with the new guy, who has his own Marshall 1/2 stack, I was AMAZED at how much cleaner the sound was. Besides the height factor (which we partially fixed by puttting the other guitarist's cab on a milk crate to project beter), there was so much more depth and resolution to the tone, it wasn't funny. I could hear each and every note in sparkling detail.

Was it louder than than the other guitarist's setup? It has the potential to be, but I used my 50W JCM800 while he used a 100W Valvestate (which sounds terrible, btw). I adjusted my volume to match his, aslo.

So, to all the nay-sayers who think that even a 1/2 stack is too much, I have to disagree, and now I'm a totally dedicated full stack man! The myth that you only need a 1/2 stack or more if you're playing stadiums is just that: A MYTH!! Having all the volume is great, but you can't touch the headroom, dynamics, or resolution you get from a head (or preamp/power amp) and a full stack!! :D :D :D
 
Re: Full Stacks Rule!

ill keep that in mind when im rich and famous and have a road crew.. until then ill save myself the back ache

i get what your saying though and its probably exactly on. but the fact remains that most people on the board are either home players or small club venue players. personally my band plays smaller venues at the moment and the 2x12 does me well.. i will probably invest in a 4x12 for the larger gigs later on but like i said, its all about the weight with me.

but if you have the means to do so, right on man
 
Re: Full Stacks Rule!

You may want to consider that a big part of how you percieve the sound is based on how the speakers are pointed at your ears. You might try setting a 2x12 or 4x12 on top of an unused 4x12, and see if it isn't the placement that you're hearing, rather than the actual configuration.

Just a thought. :)
 
Re: Full Stacks Rule!

Actually, I have a 2x12 (as well as a 1x12 for home), and have tried this config before. A 2x12 does get loud, but I really don't like the 2x12 ... it lacks the point-source directness of a 1x12 and doesn't move as much air as a 4x12 ... not a fan of the sound. Like I said in my post, it's not just the height. You get a much greater resolution out of the rig, regardless of the volume.

As for the weight ... rock = excess. Those that don't believe that can enjoy a good cry while listening to Radiohead and Coldplay! lol :)
 
Re: Full Stacks Rule!

Funny you should mention Coldplay. I never heard of them 'til the other day when a song of theirs played at the end of some movie that was on in a bar. My friend knew it was Coldplay, but didn't know which song, so we watched the credits to get the title, which was "Clocks".

I went right out and bought the CD, but haven't really listened to the rest of it yet. I will tonight. ;)
 
Re: Full Stacks Rule!

I just sent korova a PM, but I guess I could just ask here.
What would be a good CD of RadioHead to check out to "try" them out?
 
Re: Full Stacks Rule!

I'm not really into the full stack thing, but I like dual half stacks (if there's room).

Better stereo separation.
 
Re: Full Stacks Rule!

one 100w head and 2 4x12s side by side gets my vote. I find a 4x12 at ear height a little too harsh and trebly.
 
Re: Full Stacks Rule!

I like the big sound and I have no problem moving my half stack with casters. A full stack is even nicer because you absorb more power in to the speakers and get a better distribution.

The height helps you hear yourself better so you can actually decrease volume.
A 4x12 or full stack has the same footprint of a 2x12.
A 4x12 with casters is much easier for me to move than a 2x12. Even if the 2x12 has casters you need to bend over to push it.. that's the stuff that bothers my back.

To each their own, but I don't understand why us "alledged tone freaks" :D have such a problem with big amps. A 1x12 can be just as loud as an 8x12.
 
Re: Full Stacks Rule!

Stevo said:
To each their own, but I don't understand why us "alledged tone freaks" :D have such a problem with big amps. A 1x12 can be just as loud as an 8x12.

For me, it is volume on stage. I don't like to play that loudly, and the 'typical' rock confiiguration of the stack on one side of the drums facing out assures that no one on stage will hear clearly, and that people right up front will hear your guitar above everything. Since people don't buy big amps to play quietly, it makes for a way too loud stage volume. Besides, master volume amps that big don't get the power tube distortion, it is generally is preamp distortion, the tone isn't as dynamic as a small wattage non-master amp.
Of course, dynamics might not be what you are going for though.
 
Re: Full Stacks Rule!

Mincer said:
Besides, master volume amps that big don't get the power tube distortion, it is generally is preamp distortion, the tone isn't as dynamic as a small wattage non-master amp.

That's why I run Hotplates. I like to run my Rectifier with medium preamp gain and the power amp at wide open.

Also, the number of speakers doesn't really have anything to do with wattage. You could easily run a 30w head into a full stack, still get the sound dispersion and presence benifits of a full stack, and yet still have the low stage volume of a 30w amp.
 
Re: Full Stacks Rule!

McLaughysSN said:
ill keep that in mind when im rich and famous and have a road crew.. until then ill save myself the back ache

And hearing...or what's left of it.

Music shouldn't be so loud it's destructive, IMO.

I'd bet ALL of the guys who play or played through stacks on a regular basis have lost alot of thier hearing...I'd venture to guess every last one of them!

How can you enjoy music if you're going deaf?

Lew
 
Re: Full Stacks Rule!

Lewguitar said:
And hearing...or what's left of it.

Music shouldn't be so loud it's destructive, IMO.

I'd bet ALL of the guys who play or played through stacks on a regular basis have lost alot of thier hearing...I'd venture to guess every last one of them!

How can you enjoy music if you're going deaf?

Lew

Totally untrue overgeneralization. I play w/earplugs religiously.
 
Re: Full Stacks Rule!

TwilightOdyssey said:
Totally untrue overgeneralization.

Tell me that when you're 50... :laugh2: How can you hear your music with earplugs? :laugh2: Wouldn't it be nicer, and less muffled sounding, to just turn down and play without earplugs? :smack: Lew
 
Last edited:
Re: Full Stacks Rule!

Lewguitar said:
Tell me that when you're 50... :laugh2: How can you hear your music with earplugs? :laugh2: Wouldn't it be nicer, and less muffled sounding, to just turn down and play without earplugs? :smack: Lew

Nice, but not always possible with a louder drummer. An investment in some good musicians earplugs would be wise (one's that don't muffle the sound, just drop the dB).
 
Re: Full Stacks Rule!

Loud is about volume, not size. Is that a confusing concept?

The words "big" and "loud" are getting confused here. I hate it when the stage volume gets loud. I get very stressed out if I can't hear my vocal monitor clearly.

My bandmate plays through a 2x12 and he blows me away with volume. Since the speakers are down by his feet, he can't hear himself well, BUT I CAN! :D
 
Re: Full Stacks Rule!

Just so's you know: I've owned and used plenty of loud Marshalls! I love 'em...they;re a blast...but they made me go deaf. Music should heal...not harm. Lew
 
Back
Top