G12M, G12H, Vintage 30

[some_dude]

Re: G12M, G12H, Vintage 30

I'm going to detail my rig before replying below;

I run 1 of two amps, an Electric Amp 120w EL34 MV amp, that's similar to the Matamp GT/GTL-120, which is kinda like a gained up Orange OD-120 if anyone needs a reference.

The other amp is an Orange Rockerverb 50.

I run two cabs, one is loaded with Eminence Man-O-Wars (think G12T-75) and the other is loaded with Vintage 30s.

The Electric is a naturally midrange heavy amp that sounds alright with the V30s and awesome with the Man-O-Wars, but the amp is naturally somewhat dark and the combined bottom end of the V30/Man-O-Wars stacked makes the amp a little too strong down low, so I'm always dialing the bottom end back trying to put more emphasis on the midrange.

The Rockerverb 50 hates the Man-O-Wars but loves the Vintage 30s. Either way, it's not my main amp so I'm not really concerned with how it'll sound into these new speakers.

The sound is also different between Scummies and Celestions. Lots of guys seem to dig the Scummies but there is no way a ceramic magnet speaker is worth $180 a pop.

Greenbacks...I love them, they are my fav Celestion FWIW. What do they sound?? I've never really spent much time with them with an amp like yours but there are loads of Greeenback tones from all over...Billy Gibbons, Jeff Beck, Steve Vai at various points in time, early (Pre BOG) Hendrix, Korn, Angus and Mal from AC/DC, Billy Corgan, Steve Stevens, Warren Haynes, etc...loads of guys use them. That might not help but what Im trying to get at is that they are far more versitile that some players owudl have you believe.

I think my confusion revolves around internet descriptions. When people say they have less bottom end than a V30 or G12H, it's natural for me to assume they don't have alot of bottom, when in fact they may have plenty, just less than a V30 or G12H.

If you switch from V30's to GB's you will loose low end and the lows you have will not be as tight, the mids will be far more in your face and up front but the mids are way different...much more textured, almost muddy in a way and the highs due to the lowered low end will seem really up front but they are not brioght speakers to my ears...besides that you'll loose volume and they will break up a lot sooner.

With the Electric running into the Man-O-War/V30 setup I could afford to loose some top and bottom end to bring out more mids. As it is right now I'm dialling the top and bottom back to bring out the midrange detail.

G12H30 or if you want max "bigness" a 55hz cone G12H30 like the Heritage series but those can be really overpowering in the lows unless you play clean to low/mid gain at max and lean on Fender guitars...high gain players and buckers lovers often feel like they have too many lows...

It sounds like I want to stay away from the 55Hz cones. Currently, when I the volume/gain dial back to get a good clean tone the bottom end can get a little overwhelming, making the cleans sound less defined than I'd like them. Again, this is making me lean towards the G12M.

Would it be safe to say that overdriven G12Ms add midrange 'bark' to chord work?

 

[jerryjg]

Re: G12M, G12H, Vintage 30

Would it be safe to say that overdriven G12Ms add midrange 'bark' to chord work?

My set of Vintage Blackbacks( same as greenbacks) do bark, but they also growl and they bite. Theres not alot of woof, but niether do they howl. you do need to keep them on a leash,or they can crap out.
Ive never had a 4x12 with G12h's, but hopefully that'll be on the hprizon. I dont think people run G12h's and greenbacks together do they?

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: G12M, G12H, Vintage 30

The Greenbacks may very well be the ticket for you...they will be no louder or less loud than G12T75's since those speakers are the same efficienty but the eq on those 2 speakers be any different.

G12T75's are all top and bottom and the bottom is kinda of tight and the top is really zingy...

Yes to my ears GB's have all kinds of bark. Also I've never had any issues getting GB's to hold together under higher gain levels or higher volume levels.

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

Re: G12M, G12H, Vintage 30

I've read that the G12H30 Heritage Celestions take an enourmous time to break in. Something like 350 hours of gig volume playing. Extra long break in periods seems to be common to newer Celestions lately.

The standard G12M25 Greenback re-issue is a bit louder now than it used to be. I find the more recent examples louder than the G12T75. The G12M20 Heritage is only 96db's and it is suppossed to sound spot on to the original tone wise, but it's expensive for a ceramic.

I like GB's too, especially in closed cabs. They have a bite to them that is great for stinging blues licks, and in a closed back 4x12 it's the classic rock crunch to a T.

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: G12M, G12H, Vintage 30

It's not the Heritage series H30 that takes a long break in time, it's the standard line H30 but 350 hours...no way, a hemp cone will break in in half that time or less...I'd say that most of the ones I've messed with sounded much better after about 35-50 hours of good solid play time.

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

Re: G12M, G12H, Vintage 30

That's just what I read, and I'm a little skeptical of 350 hours too.

 

[James Rock]

Re: G12M, G12H, Vintage 30

I like the Greenback G12H-30 mix as you get enough bottom and high end but nicer mids and some of that greenback compression that said its not as versatile as the G12H-30/V30 mix amd the Greenback is dominated by the G12H-30 so it does depend on set up (I think there are a few other brands that make speakers based on greenbacks with more efficiency I'm using WGS speakers and it sounds balanced to me).