Gaps in the product line?

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I had a Spector bass with active EMGs that I sounded really good but the batteries died during a practice and it basically turned me off to them.
In my younger years, I've used a Valley Arts Standard Pro w/ an EMG SA/SA/89 p'up set for about five years, doing an average of three hundred, three-hour sets a year. That's about 4,500 hours of playing.

Did I ever run out of batteries? Not once, not ever.

Just sayin'... ;)
 
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In my younger years, I've used a Valley Arts Standard Pro w/ an EMG SA/SA/89 p'up set for about five years, doing an average of three hundred, three-hour sets a year. That's about 4,500 hours of playing.

Did I ever run out of batteries? Not once, not ever.

Just sayin'... ;)

Are you saying that your batter lasted 4,500 hours of playing? I was in school at the time and had spare batteries at my house but not on me at practice–it was an annoyance that has happened to several people, not just me. In hindsight I should have had a spare battery in the case but that's one less thing to go wrong with passives, just sayin' ;)

I have not heard or played an active pickup that sounded better than the passives I use, so there is no reason for me to have actives. My dad loves EMGs and has several sets–more power to ya if you like them, to me the battery was a turn off and while I've tried multiple after that incident I just haven't found a set that sounded right to me.
 
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By the sound of it, seems that you didn't kill yourself trying either, am I right?

I mean, to be fair, there really aren't a whole lot of active pickup options. At least, not as many as passives. You have EMG's and Blackouts, but that's really it. Fishman have come out with some new ones, but I have yet to try them.
 
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Would somebody be kind enough to set this thread back on topic, please?
 
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Now you're being silly...

I'm an accountant and have been told I take things too literally at times :deal:


See? NOW we're talking! ;)

Junior high students aren't known for using all of their brains... :chairshot

By the sound of it, seems that you didn't kill yourself trying either, am I right?

Seeing as I'm alive I haven't tried killing myself for anything...yet :jester:

Anyway, it's alright not to like a particular p'up. But blaming the p'up for your own missing foresight is... how can I put it... juvenile?:scratchch

When I was using that Bass I was in Junior High...so juvenile is actually a great way to describe it. lol

However, I prefer the tone of my Alnico V and Ceramic passives. Everytime I swap out pickups I go for those with Alnico V or Ceramic. So while I don't want to mess with a battery at all (I do have the worst of luck when it comes to not being 100% prepared...anything that can WILL go wrong lol) and I just keep going back to to Ceramics and Alnico V.
 
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Would somebody be kind enough to set this thread back on topic, please?

Righto governor! :cop:

I personally would like to see an SD equivalent to the DMZ Liquifire. More of a higher output of the medium output pickups that is very rich sounding but not muffled. Sounds very smooth with both cleans and drive.

Granted, I'm sure some of y'all can describe a SD pickup that does that, I just haven't used one that reacted in those terms to my ears and my playing. :)
 
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Would somebody be kind enough to set this thread back on topic, please?

How about some pickups that utilize neodymium mags? Has that been said here already? Is that possible?

Or different materials for winding wire other than copper and silver?

Experimenting with different materials for slugs and screws, different shaped slugs and screws?

Multivoiced passive pickups that can be switched via push/pull or minitoggle? Like Fishman's new actives? Is that possible?

Just throwing out ideas.
 
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While this is a good question to ask every now and then, the other question that must be asked is "what pickups have you tried before answering?"

As well, gap has to be defined as a reasonable amount of demand in the general marketplace outside the 2-dozen on this forum (at most) that would seek out a Black Winter with a Tele baseplate, for example.

My guess is that very few people have tried the entire catalog of SD pickups through every type of guitar and amp combo, much less through the guitars and amps they actually have. It's one thing to say you want a pickup for x guitar into x amp for x tonal result, but if any one of those variables changes, you may find what you were looking for. It might be a Seth Lover in a maple Tele through a TripleRec, or a Distortion in a White Falcon through a JC-120. If you haven't tried it, can you really say it's missing?

With so many options for tweaking the tone through external gear (pedals, et al) as well as internal components (Varitone, et al), who can really say if there are gaps? As well, you still have traditional mindsets regarding guitars and amps and their associated musical genres, such as a Tele through a Tweed Deluxe for C&W or this or that through hither and yon for Death/Doom/Extreme Metals, and pickup form factors are typically limited to the perceived target audience, hence there's not as much variety in the lipstick or vintage Tele baseplate models as there are in Strat and Humbucker formats.

I don't see the need to explore coil and bobbin material differences. Copper is abundant and economical enough and an excellent conductor. While gold and silver may be more conductive, their tonal properties have yet to be proven, and the extra expense cannot be justified with a simple "just a little more" tonal result. Would a gold-coil JB still sound like a copper-coil JB? If so, why bother?

Magnet materials, however, could be interesting. ND mags are known for having a stronger field, so would it be possible to get the same results using half the standard number of coil wraps or less?

Pole piece shapes were mentioned as well. Perhaps a hybrid of a Quarter Pounder with Invader caps? Maybe one coil had QP slugs under 3 strings and standard slugs under the others? There were some thin metal shims offered in magazine ads years ago that were purported to alter the tonal response of a pickup - one model had diamond-shapes touted for a more aggressive response (for Metal/Hard Rock), and another had round shapes touted for a smoother, output-boosting effect for those low-output vintage pickups. I never found out of this was factual or snake-oil.
 
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Righto governor! :cop:

I personally would like to see an SD equivalent to the DMZ Liquifire. More of a higher output of the medium output pickups that is very rich sounding but not muffled. Sounds very smooth with both cleans and drive.

Granted, I'm sure some of y'all can describe a SD pickup that does that, I just haven't used one that reacted in those terms to my ears and my playing. :)

Maybe something like a higher output Jazz / Full Shred neck?
 
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More active options, particularly for the neck. It's like they burst out the gate with the Blackouts, and then just kicked their feet up. I bet if Dino didn't want something else, we'd still have only the same ol' BO for 7/8 string. There's probably not enough demand. I'd love to see a vintage-flavored active single coil...

...in 8-string soapbar housing. :D
 
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^If you hadn't chopped off the rest of my post, you wouldn't need those question marks. : popworm:

But I might try that in my 6-string. :)
 
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Is the Live Wire line still made?

I don't recall a single comment about them... is it?
 
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