Gaps in the product line?

[Davii]

Re: Gaps in the product line?

How about a copper/silver coil mix. Besides the need to mortgage the cat to buy one :alcoholic

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Gaps in the product line?

How about a copper/silver coil mix. Besides the need to mortgage the cat to buy one :alcoholic

Some guys I know have made several prototypes using one silver and one copper.

The results were encouraging, but the lack of funding stopped the project. And in Italy, not even the very concept of "Venture Capital" exists!

Damned Italian government...

 

[Davii]

Re: Gaps in the product line?

Some guys I know have made several prototypes using one silver and one copper.

The results were encouraging, but the lack of funding stopped the project. And in Italy, not even the very concept of "Venture Capital" exists!

Damned Italian government...

Hey, at least you get decent weather, good food n' drink, and lovely ladies now that Berlusconi's hung up his libido...

What about other possibilities, in terms of wire metals?

 

[JOLLY]

Re: Gaps in the product line?

I'm still waiting on the six string Retribution that I hear are supposed to become part of the product line.

 

[orpheo]

Re: Gaps in the product line?

i want a switchable BMP.

I want the SH7 to be back in the standard lineup, as well as the SH9.

I want the jb/fullshred in the lineup.

I want the 59/jazz a2 and a5 in the lineup.

I want an a3 bridge and a3 neck pickup, PAF style.

I want an a4 bridge and a4 neck pickup, PAF style.

I want more tele single coils. even the rails.

I want more strat single coils. Not as hot as the SSL5, not as clean as the SSL1.

I want the metal covered blackouts to look like normal pickups (like the hetfield pickups).

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Gaps in the product line?

Hey, at least you get decent weather,

I'm in Milano, the weather here is NOT really that much better than London...

What about other possibilities, in terms of wire metals?

I don't think there are that many possibilities other than copper. Fortunately, there's still a lot to be done with it.

If there haven't been so much R&D is because guitar players are still living in the past.

Let's see where Fluence goes.

 

[Juanhanglo]

Re: Gaps in the product line?

After reading all of the responses so far, i believe I am with the majority of guys here.

The biggest hole is in the mid power humbuckers. It is here that dimarzio has SD beat IMO. This power range in an SD voicing (instead of the dimarzio was sound) would be great.

- a more vintage sounding brobucker type (which should be a production pup)

And

- something that excels at overdrive/distortion alà full shred. (Does the Perpetual burn do this?)

Would be cool.

I also like the idea of a mid power neck bucker. I love the full shred neck,(How does it sounds so bright clean and become so fluid under gain up high on the neck?) but some variety here would be great. Somebody mentioned the liquifire. Something in that vain would be nice.


I would like a full shred type set as a lil bucker strat set.

The screamin demon is also another thing I could see gain a foothold. Make the hotter Scott Ian demon available and offer both as a matched set. Sorta like the full shred set, but more versatile.

Of course, more choices for the tele is always good.

Lastly, make the forum pickups more accessible for those of us that missed out on the initial run. Strabro? Crazy 8?

 

[orpheo]

Re: Gaps in the product line?

Dimarzio humbuckers:

10 vintage
18 medium
21 hot
_________

49 total.

Seymour Duncan Humbuckers:

21 vintage
15 medium, incl sh6n
23 hot

__________

59 total


So yeah, DMZ is really ahead of the game with three medium pickups extra in the lineup. An argument could be made to even shift the balance a bit by putting the BW neck pickup, sentient, Nazgul and stagmag in the 'medium section', shifting the balance towards 21/19/19. Or any way you like it.

Oh, and I haven't even considered floor shop custom and the customshop in this lineup. Just regular production.


In other words: there's only a perceived gap in the field, compared to DMZ. DMZ don't have a dedicated 'set' of pickups nor a 'neck' version of a pickup (like, for example, the BW, Pearly, 59, WLH, Seth, A2Pro, A2Pro Slash and Jazz).

By mixing and matching current coils plus mags and perhaps a few new mags, they'd be able to expand their lineup CONSIDERABLY. The 59 lends itself for the alnico2, alnico3, alnico4. The Jazz is a great pickup with the alnico 8. that's 4 new pickups, 'free of charge'. The Pearly loves the Seth as a new bridge pickup. The Pearly is a great match with the Custom Custom as a new bridge pickup, too. The Jazz and '59 are a great combination, even the JazzN and 59B play well together (to understate it a bit!). Or the JazzB/59B. And you can do that with the Alnico2 and Alnico5.


So, no. DMZ isn't ahead of SD, by a long shot. In my opinion. Just do the numbers and lay low on the Oranjebitter.

Long Live The King!

(yes, it's the King's birthday here).

 

[orpheo]

Re: Gaps in the product line?

Dimarzio humbuckers:

10 vintage
18 medium
21 hot
_________

49 total.

Seymour Duncan Humbuckers:

21 vintage
15 medium, incl sh6n
23 hot

__________

59 total


So yeah, DMZ is really ahead of the game with three medium pickups extra in the lineup. An argument could be made to even shift the balance a bit by putting the BW neck pickup, sentient, Nazgul and stagmag in the 'medium section', shifting the balance towards 21/19/19. Or any way you like it.

Oh, and I haven't even considered floor shop custom and the customshop in this lineup. Just regular production.


In other words: there's only a perceived gap in the field, compared to DMZ. DMZ don't have a dedicated 'set' of pickups nor a 'neck' version of a pickup (like, for example, the BW, Pearly, 59, WLH, Seth, A2Pro, A2Pro Slash and Jazz).

By mixing and matching current coils plus mags and perhaps a few new mags, they'd be able to expand their lineup CONSIDERABLY. The 59 lends itself for the alnico2, alnico3, alnico4. The Jazz is a great pickup with the alnico 8. that's 4 new pickups, 'free of charge'. The Pearly loves the Seth as a new bridge pickup. The Pearly is a great match with the Custom Custom as a new bridge pickup, too. The Jazz and '59 are a great combination, even the JazzN and 59B play well together (to understate it a bit!). Or the JazzB/59B. And you can do that with the Alnico2 and Alnico5.


So, no. DMZ isn't ahead of SD, by a long shot. In my opinion. Just do the numbers and lay low on the Oranjebitter.

Long Live The King!

(yes, it's the King's birthday here).

 

[allbutromeo]

Re: Gaps in the product line?

Dmz has plenty of "sets" Evolution, D-Activator, D-ActivatorX, Breed, Titan, Transition, Gravity Storm, Dominion, Illuminator, Steve Morse, and that's not inclusive single coil sets

 

[orpheo]

Re: Gaps in the product line?

Dmz has plenty of "sets" Evolution, D-Activator, D-ActivatorX, Breed, Titan, Transition, Gravity Storm, Dominion, Illuminator, Steve Morse, and that's not inclusive single coil sets

Listed separately. I.e., for example: ego bridge is listed under high output. Evo neck under medium. SD lists the sets under one name, in stead of separating the two pickups making the set.

I said that before in my previous post. Maybe I should've said 'dmz doesn't list the sets together creating the illusion that there are less pickups available than what's really the case'.

 

[dominus]

Re: Gaps in the product line?

Dimarzio humbuckers:

10 vintage
18 medium
21 hot
_________

49 total.

Seymour Duncan Humbuckers:

21 vintage
15 medium, incl sh6n
23 hot

__________

59 total

Are you counting Custom Shop / Special order Duncans there?

All of the Dimarzios you're listing are readily available for < $70.

 

[orpheo]

Re: Gaps in the product line?

@dominus

Rear the original post! I clearly state:

Oh, and I haven't even considered floor shop custom and the customshop in this lineup. Just regular production.

 

[orpheo]

Re: Gaps in the product line?

@dominus

Rear the original post! I clearly state:

Oh, and I haven't even considered floor shop custom and the customshop in this lineup. Just regular production.

 

[sosomething]

Re: Gaps in the product line?

I guess I'll go ahead and chime in here. I read about a third of the responses (this topic is pretty long after all) and I thought it might be good for SD to get an opinion from a guy who ISN'T intimately familiar with all that many pickups... so here goes.

When I was doing my Westone project (see my avatar) earlier this year, I wasn't even sure where to begin, but I knew I needed to replace my pickups (this guitar had gone through a fire and they were literally fried... just ask if you're interested in it's story). Anyway, I did a lot of online research, read a lot of opinions, and saw a lot of adjectives pertaining to pickups and sound that were difficult to quantify. It became clear very quickly that I just needed to be able to hear these pickups for myself. Limited funds, though, made the idea of trial and error rather unsavory. I really liked the sound samples that Seymour Duncan had on the website, and spent many hours listening and comparing before coming up with my decisions for my purchase (SH-4 Bridge, STK-S2 Center, SH-2 Neck). Knowing that the samples were using the same guitar and rig setup gave me confidence that I could listen to two different pickups and be able to hear the difference between them.

My point is that there were several pickups I saw on the site that did not have a corresponding sound sample... so I have no idea whether there are gaps because I simply did not get a chance to hear them all. As someone who is most definitely NOT well-versed in all the pickups out there and the variations in sound, but who is a purchaser nonetheless, I really appreciated the ability to hear the differences before making my selection and would have gladly spent a few more hours doing it had there been a more complete offering of samples.

Obviously SD (like any other manufacturer of anything) is asking about gaps because they want more market share... which is a great strategy. Making it easier for those of us who are not experts to make an informed decision seems like another great way to do that, regardless of the gaps. In fact, taking it a step further and adding samples of series vs split vs parallel would have been FANTASTIC!

Don't want to sound like I'm complaining, though... I am a VERY satisfied customer!

This is a great point. To someone unfamiliar with the product line, the "gaps" exist plainly in our sound demos!

To your point - those sound demos were produced quite a few years ago and represented a pretty intense undertaking. Many of the pickups sold that do not have sound samples were not released yet at the time those samples were created, and the practice of making new samples hasn't been kept up. I agree that this can make it tricky when choosing a pickup based on those samples.

However, it should be noted that there are a huuuuuuge amount of demos available on YouTube, both produced by us and by 3rd parties, that do a great job of highlighting the sound of almost all of our products. The Seymour Duncan Blog is also a fantastic resource, specifically with regard to the sonic differences between the different modes you mention (split, parallel, etc.).

I don't bring that up to refute you at all - I think you're totally right! But the next time you have a project, don't miss out on all the other fantastic resources available for checking out pickups. And also don't forget that we have a 30-day exchange policy. You can keep trying and returning pickups until you find exactly what you're looking for.

 

[frankfalbo]

Re: Gaps in the product line?

...And also don't forget that we have a 30-day exchange policy. You can keep trying and returning pickups until you find exactly what you're looking for.

Actually it's Dimarzio that has a 30-day exchange policy. Duncan's is still 21 as far as I know. LOL

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/21-day-exchange/warranty_inform/

 

[dominus]

Re: Gaps in the product line?

@dominus

Rear the original post! I clearly state:

I'm counting 40 humbuckers total. Are you including actives then?

 

[MacBradley]

Re: Gaps in the product line?

This is a great point. To someone unfamiliar with the product line, the "gaps" exist plainly in our sound demos!

To your point - those sound demos were produced quite a few years ago and represented a pretty intense undertaking. Many of the pickups sold that do not have sound samples were not released yet at the time those samples were created, and the practice of making new samples hasn't been kept up. I agree that this can make it tricky when choosing a pickup based on those samples.

However, it should be noted that there are a huuuuuuge amount of demos available on YouTube, both produced by us and by 3rd parties, that do a great job of highlighting the sound of almost all of our products. The Seymour Duncan Blog is also a fantastic resource, specifically with regard to the sonic differences between the different modes you mention (split, parallel, etc.).

I don't bring that up to refute you at all - I think you're totally right! But the next time you have a project, don't miss out on all the other fantastic resources available for checking out pickups. And also don't forget that we have a 30-day exchange policy. You can keep trying and returning pickups until you find exactly what you're looking for.

Years ago, I actually ran into the same issue with not having all the pickups I wanted to hear available on the comparison recordings. And while online demos are nice for advertising and getting a pickup known and heard, it doesn't help very much with comparing pickups. As you guys at SD know...even moving the mic an inch makes a world of difference...even having the volume of the recording varies how audio quality is perceived (queue whining about volume wars here). It might be a good idea for you guys to run through and re-do the process once every year or two. I'm aware it is a lot of work, but man does it sure help getting and idea of what a new pickup will sound like relative to another from your lineup.

 

[beaubrummels]

Re: Gaps in the product line?

There's almost 10 pages of reinventing the wheel, now even more rounder.

How about actually inventing something that doesn't exist? What about a single area/boundary pickup covering the area from bridge to neck that responds to where my picking hand is on the strings? Or that intensifies the effect of using bare finger over pick, or fingernail vs bare finger? Velocity sensitivity, but not synthetic or synthesized - modifies the tone stack based on how hard I pick? OR how about a pickup in a cassette that can slide out of the ring and be replaced even between songs?

This post will get flamed all to hell, because there's no innovation, invention or creativity here.

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Gaps in the product line?

necessity is the mother of invention.