George L Cable...the best???

[Lava Man]

Re: George L Cable...the best???

The Geroge L's are just fine with me...

My Gosh...how much brighter do you really want your guitar to sound?

The George L's are the choice of Eric Johnson...I'll trust his ears.

And mine.

It's not a matter for brightness but personal preference, and somewhat sytle of music you play. If you love George L's then that's great.

Eric Johnson uses George L's and David Gilmour uses Evidence Audio Lyric HG. So who's ear do you trust? Having had a conversation with Eric Johnson rearding his cable, he uses it because it has little signal loss at 40' the length he uses from his guitar to pedals. His bass player Chris Maresh is using 4 Canare GS-6 cables I gave him and he loves them. Eric Johnson also has an Endorsment arrangement with George L's - David Gilmour has no such arrnagement with Evidence Audio.

There are a nice range of cables out there that provide for some really good sonic repsonse. It's all about how good your rig sounds, and if introducing something like a different cable makes it sound better to you, and some types of cable sound better for certain styles of music and amp configurations.

I had a good conversation with guy in a boutique music store in Raleigh, NC. He owns about 4 Two Rock amps and whole bunch other killer gear, to include two rock cables which sell for $150 for a 10' cable and other good cable like Canare.

He made a great point: Most of serious guitarists spend $1000's on our amps ang guitars and our cables are usually an afterthought. For him it made sense to invest in quality cables - and it's not that our audience may hear the difference but we do, so we enjoying playing more, becuase our rig to us sounds better.

 

[seafoamer]

Re: George L Cable...the best???

There is no "best".
A smart gtrist should have a few cables of different types, & choose them accordingly. When my sound sounds too bright, I switch to a less "hi-fi" cable & vice-versa.

 

[Scott_F]

Re: George L Cable...the best???

Scott_F uses Lord Valve cables. He's an unofficial endorsee of Lord Valve. Scott puts them through torture all this past year. Walking all over them, sitting on the couch bending the straight connector end when he should be using hte 90 angled one, setting a chair leg right on them for hours upon end with his rather heavy butt sitting on the chair, pulling them straight out of the amp when he knows he really shouldn't.

Yep, Scott_F digs the Lord Valve ones...

 

[esandes]

I bought a GL patch and it stopped working. Most of my cables have been Monster.

But all of my cables disappeared some how and I just picked up a Vai patch cable. The Dimarzio speaker cables are on backorder so I did some research and ordered an Evidence Audio Siren speaker cable.

The Evidence Audio Forte patch is next on my list.

I didn't know, before buying these cables, that cables are directional.

Discuss

 

[El Dunco]

Woah, a thread so old even the OP is gome!

L shaped cables are a necessity for Vs if I want to sit down, except for with Schecter who chose a non-moronic spot to put the output jack.

 

[Mincer]

I bought a GL patch and it stopped working. Most of my cables have been Monster.

But all of my cables disappeared some how and I just picked up a Vai patch cable. The Dimarzio speaker cables are on backorder so I did some research and ordered an Evidence Audio Siren speaker cable.

The Evidence Audio Forte patch is next on my list.

I didn't know, before buying these cables, that cables are directional.

Discuss

Really? Don't think I would buy a cable that was. I aint got time for that.

 

[El Dunco]

Directional?? WHAT? How?! Is there some extra electronics in one end?

 

[ehdwuld]

I have had capacitors that were directional

The cable wasnt made properly if it directional

Btw

Love George L cables
they are noticeably brighter than standard guitar cables at 20ft long

Bought 40 ends baendsn 2000 and a spool of cable

Other than my buddy snagging one ecvery couple of years. I still have them

Edit

I find wireless guitar cables better on guitar amp but the angled GL on pedals better

 

[JMP/HBE]

MOGAMI >

If your have 30+ solderless connections and get a short or open good luck finding it.

 

[jeremy]

george l is great cable, the solderless plugs are fine for some situations, like a pedal board, where there isnt much abuse. if its your main cable from your guitar and your bounce around a lot, you might have issues. luckily, its easy to fix. just not terribly convenient in the middle of a show.

as far as directional cables, its just about the shielding being grounded at one end and not the other usually. itll work either way but might be a bit more noisy or sound better if its used the right way

 

[beaubrummels]

Only speaker cables are directional.

And for me George L's were clear but lost way too much bass IME. It was like having a high pass filter set to 200hz at 3-4db per 8ve roll off.

 

[Mincer]

Bill Lawrence was making DIY cables like George Ls in the 90s and early 2000s. Mine are still going, used at every performance since then, and I never had to repair it. My George Ls need to be re-cut and put back together after every few years or so.

 

[beaubrummels]

Bill Lawrence was making DIY cables like George Ls in the 90s and early 2000s. Mine are still going, used at every performance since then, and I never had to repair it. My George Ls need to be re-cut and put back together after every few years or so.

I had Lawrence cables with the DIY ends back in 1983 on my first tour. I still have at least one of them.

 

[esandes]

Only speaker cables are directional.

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incorrect. patch cables can be as well as per dimarzio and evidence audio.

btw, evidence audio calls out gold plated plugs as marketing only instead of performance.

 

[esandes]

so nobody has recent evidence audio cable experience

 

[ehdwuld]

What?

We were all relating recent experience
What are you asking

Edit

Oh i see

No experience with Evidence Audio products
Never heard of them before your post

 

[beaubrummels]

incorrect. patch cables can be as well as per dimarzio and evidence audio.

btw, evidence audio calls out gold plated plugs as marketing only instead of performance.

I didn't see anything on the DiMarzio or Evidence Audio site claiming their patch cables were directional, though Evidence claims their guitar and audio cables are directional (more on that in a second)
https://evidenceaudio.com/products/sis
https://www.dimarzio.com/cables/pedal-board/jumper-cable
If you can point me to the reference, I'm interested in reading it. But nevertheless, I can't think of a reason unbalanced guitar patch cables would need to be directional.

A lot of the Evidence Audio claims appear to be their own marketing. They are claiming it's directional because the copper core has an extrusion grain, but they never discuss the impact of this extrusion grain, show any tests or measured results, or what happens if you plug it the other way. I am willing to bet my entire next paycheck it works just the same plugged either way. But I'm open minded and interested in understanding the measurements that show otherwise. They also claim solid core is better than braided - but anyone with basic knowledge of electronics knows electrons travel most freely on the surface of metals because there is less resistance, which is one reason braided cables are used - it increases the surface area in the same size cable for better conductivity. They say there is 'distortion' due to magnetic fields in the braids. But any magnetic fields created are cancelled by the positive and negative running opposite of each other. They show a drawing of a sine wave through the wire - that is not what happens when electrons travel down single conductor wire. It's the same signal in all the braids, where does this 'distortion' come from?. The signal will not be out of phase with itself from strand to strand. Also hard drawn/extruded copper has a higher resistance and poorer conductivity than soft annealed braided copper. They never cite a test method, measurement or demonstrate any problem. It appears they simply declared a problem they claim exists without evidence and then claim they've 'solved' it, without evidence. They're putting out a fair amount of questionable claims. Pretty striking considering their name is "Evidence." My favorite endorsement of theirs is J.J. French, "With what hearing I have left, it's obvious these are the best cables I've ever heard."

The thing that makes a cable directional is when the shield is grounded at one end and not the other, and AFAIK this is only possible with balanced/TRS cables. (I've wired recording studios before, trained via engineers at The Plant, where I learned this.). If it's run the wrong way, it will pass signal but the shield may not function as a shield and could in effect become an antenna in certain situations. With studio wiring, it's done to isolate the grounds of devices receiving power from different circuits that are being linked/plugged into each other with audio cables. You always keep the source end grounded and the destination end lifted. This avoids ground loops between the equipment. Guitar equipment is not balanced so this technique can't be applied.

If the patch cables have a single conductor with a shield around it with simple TS ends, that can't be made directional, because you have to connect the shield to ground on both ends for the audio signal to pass through.

For reference, this is Evidence Audio's patch cable

Further side note, FWIW gold is often used on connectors because it doesn't corrode or wear like other metals but has similar conductive properties to copper. Doesn't sound like Evidence produced any measurements to prove why gold plated plugs would be more marketing than performance. IME when I worked in thick film chip manufacture we used gold as conductors for sensitive chips used in more practical applications, like aircraft sensors subject to extreme weather conditions and military surveillance cameras used in the field. I can see gold making great sense on connectors that suffer weather and frequent wear and tear.

At least all that is to my knowledge so far. I'm open to read up if there's any information, tests, measurements or something else that adequately explains where I'm wrong on the topic.

 

[esandes]

:dance:

 

[beaubrummels]

So basically, you got nothin'. You just read it on the internet. Got it. Good to know. Good luck with those Evidence cables. I'm sure as cables they work just fine. The directional business is just "giving you the business."

 

[Powdered Toast Man]

Every single guitarist that I know who has gone down the solderless patch cable route later ditched them and went back to soldered cables. Solderless are great - until they're not. Usually in the middle of a gig is when you find out.

I built an entire pedalboard using Canare GS-4 cable and Squareplug soldered connections. Been awesome since.