get through a song without shred

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i can't seem to write a song without shredding of some form or another. when i listen to single note stuff i record, it really sounds good. but i get kind of bored playing gilmour type solos and stuff. my fingers feel like doing something more than vibratos and bends. i always seem to sacrifice real tone for flurries of notes just to spice things up a bit. if you ever listen to satriani always with me always with you, he still plays some fast stuff here and there. i can't seem to get away from this kind of thing. can anyone help me train myself to play less notes or something?????
 
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Get through a song without shredding? It's easy for me, but that's mainly because I suck at soloing! :D
 
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My Thoughts are the same on that point.I love how Chuck shuldiner and ;arty Friedman can "control" speed and melody!
 
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definitely, man you hit the nail right on the head with that one. marty can play some melodious stuff and then rip the damned frets right off his guitar. some people are just born special.
 
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it's not the technique i think about. if have to do that i wouldn't be a very good player. i think my problem is that i have trouble creating long build ups in my compositions. so my songs tend to be more up and down than just one big peak or something. i would like to make more dramatic music, but hence lies the problem perhaps.
 
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it's not the technique i think about. if have to do that i wouldn't be a very good player. i think my problem is that i have trouble creating long build ups in my compositions. so my songs tend to be more up and down than just one big peak or something. i would like to make more dramatic music, but hence lies the problem perhaps.

Sounds more of a compostional problem than a playing one. I don't think shredding is necessarily bad, but I don't think the genre is very "song" friendly. why not compose your solo on paper, then play it as written?

Good luck....not fun being frustrated.
 
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listen to a couple of these albums online, and see if you get into them..

Radiohead - Kid A
Radiohead - OK computer
Prodigy - their law - the singles
My vitriol - finelines

All bands which use guitars as the building blocks for their songs, but not a 'pure' solo on any of them.. i find the two radiohead records in particular very good for keeping my playing and tastes restrained and 'in check'...

tom
 
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:cool: that's going to be hard, but i'll try some new stuff this weekend. also it's not so much when i'm composing, but when i'm playing that i get bored if my hands are not more active when playing.
 
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:cool: that's going to be hard, but i'll try some new stuff this weekend. also it's not so much when i'm composing, but when i'm playing that i get bored if my hands are not more active when playing.

Your hands don't control your head - it's the other way around.

If you get bored by not shredding, then the music ain't there.
 
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Your hands don't control your head - it's the other way around.

If you get bored by not shredding, then the music ain't there.

you haven't heard my stuff yet :smokin:
 
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yeah...some times when you're feeling the song or whatever, you're gonna feel better if you play something with a lot of feel and at the climax of the solo you could rip on it and like that...this way you can shred even for just a couple of seconds...hmmm...think A7x's Seize the Day...Syn really doesn't do all that much...and it kinda sounds Slash-like...some of Slash's stuff is also very relaxed and cool...hmmm...listen to stuff that isn't guitar driven, as someone said, but since you've gotta solo, listen to stuff that has simple and emotional solos...and make your own conclusions haha...but if you can't stop shredding then maybe it's not such a bad thing...For the Love of God is a perfect example of a nice melody and stuff meets an insane shredding part...
 
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try playing at diferent times and in diferent mind states, sober, drunk, stoned, first thign in the morning, lats thing before you go to bed. what you play depends alot on your mood. or learn to play with your fingers, forces you to play slower.
 
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for the love of god is a killer tune. that's some of vai's best work in my opinion.
 
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Musicians should be masters of many styles IMHO. So if you play any of the "Rock" styles then you should be able to play the hell out of an Albert King style blues. This is because the blues is the root style from which your genre evolved. Therefore, you should be able to play everything from blues shuffles and in between up to the style that you consider to be your forte.

Likewise if I'm a Fusion guy then I should be able to go as far back as at least Bebop or further.

This is a problem that limits players of popular styles. There is no room for 1 trick ponies if you plan to be serious about it. Knowledge of styles is a very powerful thing.
 
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I think it depends a lot on whether you are playing for the public or just playing for yourself. If it's just for yourself, then it doesn't matter what you do, you can play whatever pleases you. But if you are playing for the public, it's important to realize that shredding has a restrictively limited appeal, in fact the general demographic really only includes other shredders and pubescent boys. To the best of my knowledge there's only ever been one global hit which included a shredding solo, EVH's solo on Michael Jackson's Beat It, and that was 25 years ago. It would appear that the general public don't thirst to hear a guitar player shredding. They do, however, seem to respond well to playing that is tasteful, dynamic and dripping with emotion. Even then, most people aren't listening to guitar solos at all. My theory is that many people respond to guitar solos by saying "Why has the singer stopped?"

I think the main reason for this is that shredding is inherently self indulgent, and it usually sacrifices emotional content for the player showing off their individual skills. Your complaint of boredom is echoed by the majority of people who have to listen to someone shredding. As I said, this is irrelevant if you are just playing for yourself at home, but if you are playing to an audience, particularly professionally, then it is worth considering giving people something they at least have a chance to "feel."

It would seem that you are disatisfied with your own approach to playing when it descends into yet another shredfest. I think it will require discipline and a concerted effort to explore the more expressive parts of your playing. A lot of people talk about "Gilmour type solos" but very few actually pull it off. That kind of playing requires digging deep to play from the emotional center and not from the head, nor the ego. There certainly wouldn't be time to be bored if you were really playing from that place, and the results can be stunning. I think most shredders are playing from their head, and ego, and many of them would be seriously challenged to play anything from the heart because they are not familiar with that feeling, which is also why so many shredders are daunted by the concept of relinquishing their high gain tone, or should I say, lack of tone, for fear of the emotional and expressive inadequecies it may expose.

It's horses for courses, but rest assured that there are squillions of amateur and out of work bedroom shredders who are living proof that shredding is about as popular with the general public as Venezuelan nose flute music. Perhaps these factors, along with your own desire to make more dramatic music, might inspire you to embark on a deeper exploration of your expressive guitar playing skills. Good luck with it all, and enjoy!


Cheers................wahwah
 
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i disagree, i think most people love to hear a good guitar solo even if that's not their thing. shredding is not for showing off, that's ridiculous (at least for most of us). if you ever heard and classical pieces like mozart, you will hear plenty of extremely fast playing. that's what shredding is - playing fast. "self indulgent," come on man. in my experience, most guitarist who don't like shred are those who can't shred or at least sound good doing it. shredding is only part of guitar playing. if that's all someone does, then it probably won't be very musical.

if you're implying that shredders are amateurs who play in bedrooms, then you obviously have some bias and lack of perception of the entire music industry. just listen to xm radio for a while and tell me that people aren't into rock guitar.

every time i go to guitar center, there's somebody there playing blues and none of them sound any different than the other. this is boring to me because there seems to be a shortage of individually unique playing styles. everyone thinks it's cool to play blues so that's what they play. every once in a while, some one comes along and breaks the mold. look at ron thal or joe satriani. spare me the superior attitude please.
 
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You seem to be contradicting yourself. You stated that you were dissatisfied with your own playing because you can't resist shredding, but then you put your energy into defending shredding. The attitude isn't one of superiority, it is from 25+ years of playing guitar professionally as my only source of income, and observing what is required to stay in work in my own experience whilst being happy with my own input as a musician. This doesn't support your notion that I have a lack of perception of the entire music industry, in fact it's possible that it puts me in a stronger position to comment from experience rather than opinion. Regardless, I wish you all the best with your dilemma.


Cheers.................wahwah
 
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