get through a song without shred

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Mozart on slow...would not be Mozart:D
Fluent lines....sounds easy and light, but are demanding stuff that requires playing, not just almost there, but real playing.
I am not big on shredding, but I do like fluent guitar playing, most of the players I like do play fast sometimes, but they are not showing off, imagine Flamenco slow???
Who cares as long as the lines are saying something??
 
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i disagree, i think most people love to hear a good guitar solo even if that's not their thing. shredding is not for showing off, that's ridiculous (at least for most of us). if you ever heard and classical pieces like mozart, you will hear plenty of extremely fast playing. that's what shredding is - playing fast. "self indulgent," come on man. in my experience, most guitarist who don't like shred are those who can't shred or at least sound good doing it. shredding is only part of guitar playing. if that's all someone does, then it probably won't be very musical.

if you're implying that shredders are amateurs who play in bedrooms, then you obviously have some bias and lack of perception of the entire music industry. just listen to xm radio for a while and tell me that people aren't into rock guitar.

every time i go to guitar center, there's somebody there playing blues and none of them sound any different than the other. this is boring to me because there seems to be a shortage of individually unique playing styles. everyone thinks it's cool to play blues so that's what they play. every once in a while, some one comes along and breaks the mold. look at ron thal or joe satriani. spare me the superior attitude please.

I don't think he was giving you a "superior attitude"...he was stating facts.

The average listener (non guitar player) isn't into "shredding", they aren't into blues at the moment either (with maybe an exception for John Mayer)....look at sales.

If you like shredding, by all means do so...it may not sell well. Around here, in the midwest USA, they have the G3 tour and they have to get 3 guitarists to fill a small venue. I'm not saying they aren't talented players, they are, but 90% or better of the audience will be guitar players.

Play what you like, enjoy yourself and hopefully other people will dig it as well.
 
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i never said that i was dissatisfied with my own playing. besides, you don't know what my playing experience is. experience doesn't make you more qualified. you could make a living playing at retirement homes or something. even if you're some big star, so what? a lot of bands make it big because of their producers or record labels. that dosen't make them more authorative or better musicians than anyone else. you don't even know how i play. maybe i'm better than you even with your vast experience. you don't know that. you're just another musician to me. i don't hold any body on a pedestal. not yngwie, vai, satriani, or anyone. to me they're just people who have had a lot of success doing what they do. there can be 15 year old guitarists who could play better than them.

i defend shred guitar because so many people rest on something like "well they can play fast but they don't have any feeling." there are plenty of shredders who play dramatic and interesting music. consider the following

malmsteen
satriani
gilbert
friedman
vai
morse
culpepper
moore
gatton

sure, you make a good point about playing for the general public. but look at the legends of the world michael angelo, rembrandt, hendrix, zepplin, mozart. if they went around performing for popularity to satisfy the general public, they probably woudn't be remembered forever. they were remembered for doing what they did whether people liked it or not. i will never let hte general public determine what i play and that doesn't mean that i will be less successful than you.
 
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My inference that you were dissatisfied with your playing was in response to your initial post. "i can't seem to write a song without shredding of some form or another." "i always seem to sacrifice real tone for flurries of notes just to spice things up a bit." "i can't seem to get away from this kind of thing. can anyone help me train myself to play less notes or something?????" This sounded to me like dissatisfaction, and that you were asking for suggestions on how to improve the situation.

I wasn't comparing my experience to yours, I was offsetting my experience against your claim that "you obviously have some bias and lack of perception of the entire music industry." I made no comparison or comment about your levels of skill or who might be a "better" player. These are your own imaginings and require no response. However, I did once play at a retirement home. It was Christmas Eve, it was voluntary, and gratis. It also gave me a chance to play my tune "You Old ***** Are All Gonna Die Soon." They loved it!

There is bound to be a good reason why so many people say "well they can play fast but they don't have any feeling." However, the guitarists you mentioned all certainly made interesting and skillfully produced music, and had varying levels of success. It is a valid point, and it proves yet again that there is plenty of room in the world for all forms of expression.

It should be noted from your examples that Michelangelo produced some of his most notable works under commission to the Medici family, within fairly strict guidelines, which is why you don't hear the phrase "Hey, what's that rainbow colored cow doing on the Sistine Chapel?" Similarly, Mozart was a hired gun, and was in the patronage of the church and European monarchies. Die Zauberflöte, Le nozze di Figaro, Don Giovanni and La clemenza di Tito were all commissioned gigs for Wolfie, and his continued patronage depended on pleasing his patrons. Also, those close to Hendrix say that he was deeply concerned with how his music was accepted, and he would often take acetates around to his friends to get their opinions, taking ideas back into the studio and changing things based on the responses. The idealistic notion that these people created without concern for how their works would be perceived is a myth. Led Zeppelin, on the other hand, suit your description perfectly. If it is the case that you have a band as good as Led Zeppelin and a time machine to take you back to the conditions of 1968, then you would have no need for advice from your contemporaries on an internet forum.

At first it seemed that you wanted some assistance in training yourself to play less notes, stop yourself from getting bored, and stop sacrificing real tone for flurries of notes, but it seems clear now that your intention was to prove to yourself why all of these things are totally acceptable, and indeed desirable. Since you have no concern for what anyone else thinks of the music you make, then you shouldn't be surprised that no-one else will be at all concerned with how you make your music. I think that is a noble stance in that if you experience success it will be purely on your own terms. Best of luck with it.


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i don't know if any artist is ever completely satisfied with their playing. i'm always trying to improve. playing slow is not a problem because i always practice real slow to begin with. it has become apparent to me that my problem is not slowing down, but keeping the music flowing and moving in some direction.

i read some old threads and someone said that you just need to take some time off and just listen to music, so i did for three days. when i picked up my guitar, i came up with a really cool new tune. i guess it works pretty damned good!
 
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I think there are different aproaches to the word "shred" and ,it's mostly mistaken with playing nonsense or atonal in high-speed.
I like to play fast sometimes .Actually ,my riffs are mostly really fast.But my Soloing tend to go slower ,since i need to "drain" the notes ,feed my ears with them ,and go to another note.I really enjoy everything i play ,and that's my only "border" when i write/play music!It's like the difference between chewing and swallowing chokolate and letting it melt on your tongue!
I like to shred between two melody parts ,i like to write fast runs between two parts ,wich gives me a perfect switching from one feeling to other feeling!
I can Recommend you some Death and Control Denied.
Death's Individual Thought Patterns ahve 2 or 4 very good slow solos ,on a very fast riff work.That can help you to get "the slow feeling" you need.
I just love it ,and it touches my soul deeply!
 
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thanks a lot. i'm definitely going to check that stuff out. i heard your stuff before. i like your arrangements and aggressive tone - especially your tone.
 
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thanks a lot. i'm definitely going to check that stuff out. i heard your stuff before. i like your arrangements and aggressive tone - especially your tone.

Hahah Thanx alot dude!I will post something new this week and i hope you guys will still like my tone.!!!
Chuck was an awesome guitar player (R.I.P) ,and his aproach to "soloing" is totally different.Exotic ,fast and slow ,sometimes wild sometimes mellow.But allways emotional.Even his Arpeggios are uncommon.Great stuff for shure!
 
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As others have said, you need to broaden the scope of what you listen to.

As weird as it sounds, the best thing for you would probably be to listen to some of the jazz greats - and I'm not talking about guitar. Here are some names:

John Coltrane (sax)
Miles Davis (trumpet)

Those two alone will give you a good education on what you can do with a solo. Horn players in particular have to use their own air to make the notes, and the beauty of their playing often comes from how they push that air through the instrument. The notes they play are less important than how they play them. Also pay attention to the notes they DON'T play ... if that makes any sense.

In general, when learning an instrument, never forget to train your ear and your mind in addition to your hands.
 
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You came up with that definition after listening to my lead playing, didn't you? :D

No!It was actually john petrucci!
Your soloing is the sonic rampage ,mass destruction with 440hz ,devestation with 6 strings ,and the unholy abuse of harmonics.Not even Kerry King can compete you mr Gordon!Noone is able to do what you do!It's not Shred ,it's Satan's unholy Fart!:bigok:
 
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i used to play saxaphone. i love players like coltrane and sanborne. a lot of legendary shredders have quite a bit of jazz influence in their music.
 
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If you want a guy who can shred but can play slow as well, check out Michael Schenker. NO one can compare to him when it comes to melody. :)
 
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dude shenker rocks. i have some of his solo stuff and japanese import stuff. amazing player.
 
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