Gibson '57 Classic humbucker - worth the price when purchasing new?

appar111

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Dug out one of my old guitars and debating just going for a classic PAF sound and thought "why not just go for an actual Gibson '57 Classic PAF humbucker?" Then I saw that they are $155 new???

Is anyone actually buying these for that price new? It seems that there are so many other PAF type pickups (Duncan 59, Dimarzio PAF59, Dimarzio PAF Master, etc.) that are significantly cheaper. Maybe folks figured the original maker of the PAF is the only real way to go?

Anyhoo, just wanted to see what your thoughts are on the subject...
 
Re: Gibson '57 Classic humbucker - worth the price when purchasing new?

DON'T pay that much for a '57 Classic!

They come up used all the time for less than half that and occasionally new for around $100.

That said, I would probably take any of the other pickups over the '57 Classic for the price. They all do the "PAF" thing extremely well.

Is there something specific you're looking for tonally?
 
Re: Gibson '57 Classic humbucker - worth the price when purchasing new?

Nah, just something more "PAF-ey" as the strat in question currently has an EVH Wolfgang neck humbucker in the bridge. Great sounding pickup, I'm just looking for something cleaner sounding.
 
Re: Gibson '57 Classic humbucker - worth the price when purchasing new?

'57's are way overpriced, like all Gibson pickups. Unfortunately some players think they're getting 'an actual Gibson '57 Classic PAF humbucker' that's somehow like the original 1950's PAF's. There are other pickup makers crafting closer replicas of 1950's PAF's than Gibson. Remember: Gibson is a guitar company; pickups aren't a priority. They make them so they can save some money instead of buying them from someone else. Their aftermarket pickup sales are minimal, certainly not driving the company's cash flow. With aftermarket pickup companies, that's all they do. They can't stay in business if their products can't beat Fender and Gibson pickups in tone quality.

One of the members (possibly Kojak) had said here the specs on '57 Classics have been changed by Gibson 5 times over the years, so what you hear on some guitars and what you actually get can be a moving target.

I'm a big PAF fan, and '57's are the one PAF I don't care for (I've had several sets come in guitars I bought -I pulled and sold all of them). To my ears they're on the muddy side, and the high-end can have a weird 'ribbony' sound. For the price of these in the boutique range, you can get much better sounding PAF's from Duncan (Seth, WLH, etc), Lollar, Fralin, Bare Knuckles, ThroBak, etc. Gibson has no desire to spend the time & resources competing with these aftermarket companies. If they can equal what those companies produce, Gibson won't be able to sell many more pickups than they do now. Not much of an upside. Maybe they wouldn't be able to break even to cover the added investment. If they can't equal those companies, then they just look foolish. Best for them not to get into the fray. They can't compete with the decades of experience of people like Seymour Duncan. So Gibson makes good pickups for their guitars, not the best, but good enough. If you want better, there's a number to choose from today.
 
Re: Gibson '57 Classic humbucker - worth the price when purchasing new?

Not to push my own wares unnecessarily, but I have a brand new Van Zandt TrueBucker "Hot" for sale that you might enjoy and my price is killer. Basically, a boutique PG+ or '59...8.5K, Alnico V, handwound in Texas.

PM me if interested or check out my thread in the Trading Post.
 
Re: Gibson '57 Classic humbucker - worth the price when purchasing new?

Not really worth it. Duncan and Dimarzio can be had for less, just as good


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Re: Gibson '57 Classic humbucker - worth the price when purchasing new?

While I admit that a given set of pickups can sound good in one guitar and bad in another, even with similar/identical construction, I do not get the love (on other forums) for 57s. They were "ok" stock in my SG, but they were nothing special at all. Certainly not worth the retail price. Seths and Whole Lotta Humbuckers (A4 magnet swap) sounded much better in that guitar, and I suspect I would like 59s with A4 or A2 magnets better too. I believe all of these are cheaper than 57s.
 
Re: Gibson '57 Classic humbucker - worth the price when purchasing new?

It's often been said that Gibson only makes pickups because they can't sell guitars without them. I think they deliberately overpriced the 57s and other pickups, partly to inflate their brand name, and also because they're more about selling guitars. "Hey, if we're going to be bothered selling loose pickups, we darn sure want a huge profit on 'em."

I've only had 57 Classics sound really good in one guitar, I think because that particular axe is very special, a Johnny A Custom. Long scale and ebony board, it's well suited to a humbucker with a bit less definition.

Far better pickups can be had for far less, as has been said by many. Believe it.

And if you're prepared to spend top dollar, a plethora of truly excellent high end humbuckers pickups are available from people who know what they're doing and will custom make something specifically for your tastes and your particular guitar.

You could get a Zhangbucker Pure Handwound - the only pickup I know of today that's not just hand-guided onto a machine (like most that are called handwound) but actually hand-wrapped, literally wound by hand. I have several of these and they're stellar.

James at ReWind will do a custom spec humbucker too; his pickups are truly excellent and he can hit a specific tone target dead on.

Or you could get one made for you by MJ in the Duncan Custom Shop. Or a boutique PAF type from Monty's, or Jim Wagner, or Harmonic Design, or any number of great makers - these are serious artisans who specialize in pickups and really know their stuff.

Or for a bit less you could get a very good stock PAF model from a brand like Bareknuckle or Wolfetone or Sheptone.

I'd choose almost anything before a brand new 57 Classic.
 
Re: Gibson '57 Classic humbucker - worth the price when purchasing new?

I currently have a les Paul equipped with the 57 classic plus combo and for them being the stock PUPS they're phenomenal. They do great clean to mid gain rock and have an all around warm feel to them, they don't "sparkle" but that's not what they're made for. I personally am thinking of switching to the pearly gates combo as I want a more rock and dirty blues sound, not that the 57 classics don't perform well, but the SDs seem to be better for that stuff.
 
Re: Gibson '57 Classic humbucker - worth the price when purchasing new?

my lp had 57 classics neck and bridge. the neck was hotter than the bridge by a bit, 7.8 vs 7.5. the bridge wasnt bad at all, the neck was kinda dark and uninspiring. the cost new is too much for what you get, used...
 
Re: Gibson '57 Classic humbucker - worth the price when purchasing new?

Dug out one of my old guitars and debating just going for a classic PAF sound
The cheapest way to go is to get a second-hand '59 set, change the magnets with A4s and install nickelsilver covers on'em. An A4-modded Pearly Gates set is slightly more expensive the the '59, but also arguably "better" as well.

The arguably "best" way is with an A4-modded Seth Lover set, if you ask me.

You just can't go wrong with either of those solutions.

/Peter
 
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Re: Gibson '57 Classic humbucker - worth the price when purchasing new?

They are usable pickups IME, but that's a ridiculous price for a new one. Loose, new Gibson pickups have always been exorbitant.

If they came in a guitar, I might not swap them out. If one came up for sale for less than or equal to $35 shipped, I might buy it. But I would never, ever, under any circumstances pay $150 for a brand new one.
 
Re: Gibson '57 Classic humbucker - worth the price when purchasing new?

I'd think there are enough on the used market that they don't sell a lot new at all. Many Gibson owners are taking them out and replacing them with 59s, Seth Lovers, or Antiquities.
 
Re: Gibson '57 Classic humbucker - worth the price when purchasing new?

The only reason I could see buying ‘57s new is for a guitar repair place to ‘restore’ a guitar that had them swapped out to sell it, or as a service ‘vintage upgrade’ from a 498/490 set for a customer that couldn’t use a solder iron. But a repairer would be getting dealer pricing I would imagine?
 
Re: Gibson '57 Classic humbucker - worth the price when purchasing new?

I'll just add one more "No way!".

I have the 57+/57 mix in a recent SG Std, and I've heard/played other guitars with them. They're ok, but the price is crazy. Much better choices for the same money or less.
 
Re: Gibson '57 Classic humbucker - worth the price when purchasing new?

i like the 57 better than the 57+ as a bridge pup. the + had harshness i couldnt get along with, where the 57 was lower output and brighter but the tone was decent
 
Re: Gibson '57 Classic humbucker - worth the price when purchasing new?

It’s not a huge amount of people that swap pickups, most will just sell a guitar they don’t like the sound of. I would say it’s less than 25% open up and swap parts other than basic setups.

Since Gibson makes them they can put whatever they want on for cheap, and by selling them for way more in the aftermarket they can seem like the value is higher than other aftermarket pickups. They are even selling some Epiphone’s with 57’s and other Gibson pickups for slightly more to make them seem like an upgrade. I mean if they cost more, they must be better?

The 57 neck is ok at best, but I’ve never left stock pickups in anything.
 
Re: Gibson '57 Classic humbucker - worth the price when purchasing new?

They are even selling some Epiphone’s with 57’s and other Gibson pickups for slightly more to make them seem like an upgrade. I mean if they cost more, they must be better?


Some players get Epi Tribute LP's and think that because they have '57 Classics, they must sound great, after all, what could be better sounding than a Gibson pickup?

My experience with Gibson humbuckers:

- '57's - Had 3 sets over the years, didn't like the way any of them sounded. One set was put in aftermarket (at full retail) in an LP and the guy sold the guitar at a big loss, and actually apologized to me for how bad the '57's sounded. And he was right. I don't think Seymour would make a pickup that sounded like '57's, and he's created a number of PAF's.

- 490's - Okay, but kind of lackluster. Doesn't really compare to offerings from Duncan, DiMarzio, etc. Better with an A5 in the neck to clear it up and an A8 or UOA5 in the bridge.

- 498T/490R - Bright thin bridge, warm thick neck. I don't know what they were thinking. Getting an amp EQ that works equally well for both pickups can be daunting. With an A8 or UOA5 in the bridge and an A5 in the neck, the EQ's balance much better. Still not worth $300 for the set.

- 5000T - Probably the ceramic HB I like the best, has an odd grainy sound (like 498T's), but I don't really care for ceramic magnets. If you're into ceramics, there's probably other ones you like better.

- Burstbuckers 1 thru 3 - For what I play, the best sounding Gibson HB's.


These models are on almost all Gibson guitars. If Duncan was supplying the pickups for all of Gibson's guitars, do you think they'd sound better?
 
Re: Gibson '57 Classic humbucker - worth the price when purchasing new?

'57's are way overpriced, like all Gibson pickups. Unfortunately some players think they're getting 'an actual Gibson '57 Classic PAF humbucker' that's somehow like the original 1950's PAF's. There are other pickup makers crafting closer replicas of 1950's PAF's than Gibson. Remember: Gibson is a guitar company; pickups aren't a priority. They make them so they can save some money instead of buying them from someone else. Their aftermarket pickup sales are minimal, certainly not driving the company's cash flow. With aftermarket pickup companies, that's all they do. They can't stay in business if their products can't beat Fender and Gibson pickups in tone quality.

One of the members (possibly Kojak) had said here the specs on '57 Classics have been changed by Gibson 5 times over the years, so what you hear on some guitars and what you actually get can be a moving target.

I'm a big PAF fan, and '57's are the one PAF I don't care for (I've had several sets come in guitars I bought -I pulled and sold all of them). To my ears they're on the muddy side, and the high-end can have a weird 'ribbony' sound. For the price of these in the boutique range, you can get much better sounding PAF's from Duncan (Seth, WLH, etc), Lollar, Fralin, Bare Knuckles, ThroBak, etc. Gibson has no desire to spend the time & resources competing with these aftermarket companies. If they can equal what those companies produce, Gibson won't be able to sell many more pickups than they do now. Not much of an upside. Maybe they wouldn't be able to break even to cover the added investment. If they can't equal those companies, then they just look foolish. Best for them not to get into the fray. They can't compete with the decades of experience of people like Seymour Duncan. So Gibson makes good pickups for their guitars, not the best, but good enough. If you want better, there's a number to choose from today.
Really well summarized
 
Re: Gibson '57 Classic humbucker - worth the price when purchasing new?

I think 57s are a decent pickup but I would never buy one new. You can talk to people and get them for almost nothing used. I just gave away a set the other day and fixing to give a set of 490s away. So check around you can get them almost nothing.
 
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