Gibson Les Paul alternatives, throw in all you know please

Re: Gibson Les Paul alternatives, throw in all you know please

I had a Les Paul traditional, recently gave away, I know they are not all that good .

Then I'm gonna throw down some tough love. I call BS all over your comments.

There are a ton of guys on here playing traditional that will tell you they are every bit as good as whatever your favorite Les Paul Du Jour is. So while you may "know" that - a ton of guys who have owned a ton of Les Pauls feel differently. So maybe you don't know what you think you do.

Second, you need to think about adjusting your attitude to be a little more in line with reality. A lot of the epic "Les Paul" sound you believe were some sweet Cherry Sunburst 59 were very possibly not. In a studio, brands be damned. Recording engineers will do or use ANYTHING to get the sound they want. And the artists back in the day were not in charge.

Next you want a premium badge guitar for a budget [rice. Doesn't happen. Pony up the cash or shop in the regular consumer department, or even the budget isle. Pure economics and reality - no matter how much you don't like it.

Finally - times have changed and Gibson hasn't. in the 70's your choices were Gibson, Fender or Crap. in the 80's that changed. Now, Ibanez, Schecter, Dean, Epiphone and everybody makes guitars of nearly equal quality, for 1/2 to 10% of the price. If you are about functionality - Gibson means nothing. If you are about badges, brands, prestige, and once-upon-a-time, well that costs money.

Finally - the sounds you are hearing in the videos are no real representation period. You computer, your speakers, bad recordings, doctored recordings, and who knows what amp. Give me a good amp and the Duncans of my choice and a random epiphone off the wall for US$400 will sound every bit as good as whatever imiginary grail tone you think a Gibson will give you.

Not trying to be rude or ugly - but I now completely disagree with whatever you are trying to say, and do not personally believe you are sure of it either. I'm suggesting you seriously rethink this excessive Gibson focus, reconsider the lack of sound quality validity of the internet, and focus on trying to find (and describe) the sound you want to get.
 
Re: Gibson Les Paul alternatives, throw in all you know please

Finally - times have changed and Gibson hasn't. in the 70's your choices were Gibson, Fender or Crap. in the 80's that changed. Now, Ibanez, Schecter, Dean, Epiphone and everybody makes guitars of nearly equal quality, for 1/2 to 10% of the price. If you are about functionality - Gibson means nothing. If you are about badges, brands, prestige, and once-upon-a-time, well that costs money.

I'm not going to argue any of the content of your post, but I do want to mention that custom shop products from Ibanez, Schecter, etc... are in the same price range as the non-collector Gibson custom shop products. The collector stuff is completely different and meant for a different clientele
 
Re: Gibson Les Paul alternatives, throw in all you know please

Then I'm gonna throw down some tough love. I call BS all over your comments.

There are a ton of guys on here playing traditional that will tell you they are every bit as good as whatever your favorite Les Paul Du Jour is. So while you may "know" that - a ton of guys who have owned a ton of Les Pauls feel differently. So maybe you don't know what you think you do.

Second, you need to think about adjusting your attitude to be a little more in line with reality. A lot of the epic "Les Paul" sound you believe were some sweet Cherry Sunburst 59 were very possibly not. In a studio, brands be damned. Recording engineers will do or use ANYTHING to get the sound they want. And the artists back in the day were not in charge.

Next you want a premium badge guitar for a budget [rice. Doesn't happen. Pony up the cash or shop in the regular consumer department, or even the budget isle. Pure economics and reality - no matter how much you don't like it.

Finally - times have changed and Gibson hasn't. in the 70's your choices were Gibson, Fender or Crap. in the 80's that changed. Now, Ibanez, Schecter, Dean, Epiphone and everybody makes guitars of nearly equal quality, for 1/2 to 10% of the price. If you are about functionality - Gibson means nothing. If you are about badges, brands, prestige, and once-upon-a-time, well that costs money.

Finally - the sounds you are hearing in the videos are no real representation period. You computer, your speakers, bad recordings, doctored recordings, and who knows what amp. Give me a good amp and the Duncans of my choice and a random epiphone off the wall for US$400 will sound every bit as good as whatever imiginary grail tone you think a Gibson will give you.

Not trying to be rude or ugly - but I now completely disagree with whatever you are trying to say, and do not personally believe you are sure of it either. I'm suggesting you seriously rethink this excessive Gibson focus, reconsider the lack of sound quality validity of the internet, and focus on trying to find (and describe) the sound you want to get.

Sorry I can not follow. I never said a Les Paul Traditional wouldn't count as a good guitar, I believe the specific one I had was not. I still don't fault myself for seeking the type of sound in my head, yeah utube or any medium is imperfect and may be deceiving, but I have observed often not so. I don't have a Gibson focus at all, I have a focus on a particular range of sounds. Actually I think I found some of that in the Yamaha Revstar line, hardly a Les Paul clone, not even a single-cut.
Not sure why you take such an agressive position in a topic like this, but I think you are quite a bit off in the way you describe what I am looking for or trying to do. I can't ask you to re-read all my posts and correct that, there is nothing all that important or special about them, but maybe you give up and let me be in my wrong ways, please.
Edit: Hey I never called your remarks BS, but it probably shows that is how I think about them too. Just in case you like 'tough love'.
 
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Re: Gibson Les Paul alternatives, throw in all you know please

Didn't read the entire thread but just wanted to mention Eastman if it already hasn't been mentioned.

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Re: Gibson Les Paul alternatives, throw in all you know please

Didn't read the entire thread but just wanted to mention Eastman if it already hasn't been mentioned.

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Thanks yes it was mentioned in passing, but not much idea what to expect from them.
 
Re: Gibson Les Paul alternatives, throw in all you know please

Just a curve ball for you - give 335 and other semihollows a try. I've got both an Epi LP and a 339 and I find myself leaning towards the 339 a lot more often.
 
Re: Gibson Les Paul alternatives, throw in all you know please

Just a curve ball for you - give 335 and other semihollows a try. I've got both an Epi LP and a 339 and I find myself leaning towards the 339 a lot more often.

Thanks a lot for the suggestion, I love how the semi-hollows sound. But I play with quite a bit of gain mostly, so solid-body has some priority at present. I have only strat-types so this will be the only one.
Check this out. I don't like to say I am blown away because this is just a youtube video after all, but I think it is obvious that Brett Kingman is:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=67s&v=az-KY5ZBXds
 
Re: Gibson Les Paul alternatives, throw in all you know please

This isn't to say that the Revstar isn't a nice guitar and I generally like Brett Kingmans demos, but, I don't think I've ever seen him dislike a product that he demoed ...
 
Re: Gibson Les Paul alternatives, throw in all you know please

Then I'm gonna throw down some tough love. I call BS all over your comments.

There are a ton of guys on here playing traditional that will tell you they are every bit as good as whatever your favorite Les Paul Du Jour is. So while you may "know" that - a ton of guys who have owned a ton of Les Pauls feel differently. So maybe you don't know what you think you do.

Second, you need to think about adjusting your attitude to be a little more in line with reality. A lot of the epic "Les Paul" sound you believe were some sweet Cherry Sunburst 59 were very possibly not. In a studio, brands be damned. Recording engineers will do or use ANYTHING to get the sound they want. And the artists back in the day were not in charge.

Next you want a premium badge guitar for a budget [rice. Doesn't happen. Pony up the cash or shop in the regular consumer department, or even the budget isle. Pure economics and reality - no matter how much you don't like it.

Finally - times have changed and Gibson hasn't. in the 70's your choices were Gibson, Fender or Crap. in the 80's that changed. Now, Ibanez, Schecter, Dean, Epiphone and everybody makes guitars of nearly equal quality, for 1/2 to 10% of the price. If you are about functionality - Gibson means nothing. If you are about badges, brands, prestige, and once-upon-a-time, well that costs money.

Finally - the sounds you are hearing in the videos are no real representation period. You computer, your speakers, bad recordings, doctored recordings, and who knows what amp. Give me a good amp and the Duncans of my choice and a random epiphone off the wall for US$400 will sound every bit as good as whatever imiginary grail tone you think a Gibson will give you.

Not trying to be rude or ugly - but I now completely disagree with whatever you are trying to say, and do not personally believe you are sure of it either. I'm suggesting you seriously rethink this excessive Gibson focus, reconsider the lack of sound quality validity of the internet, and focus on trying to find (and describe) the sound you want to get.

Gibson gets ripped for trying new stuff, then they get ripped for not staying with the times. Guitar players are a weird bunch at times.Look at the older Duncans and DiMarzios people buy because they're old. Maybe some is based on truth, but I bet nobody could do a blind test between a 2018 JB and a JB from the 80s. I got my dream guitar, a Gibson, and I love it. Guy went over with a fine tooth comb and opened the nut a touch, thats about it.
 
Re: Gibson Les Paul alternatives, throw in all you know please

And don't forget the 335 and it's clones. If you're not playing at extreme volume and gain levels, a 335 can deliver very similar tones.

Amen. My Dot Deluxe delivers all the tones I’d want from a Les Paul.
 
Re: Gibson Les Paul alternatives, throw in all you know please

This isn't to say that the Revstar isn't a nice guitar and I generally like Brett Kingmans demos, but, I don't think I've ever seen him dislike a product that he demoed ...

Brent gets paid for his demos, which are very well done, so I'm thinking it would not be in his best interest to dislike a product.
 
Re: Gibson Les Paul alternatives, throw in all you know please

Semi-hollow, did I mention Prestige? I know, I know...

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Re: Gibson Les Paul alternatives, throw in all you know please

Brent gets paid for his demos, which are very well done, so I'm thinking it would not be in his best interest to dislike a product.

Yes, exactly what I was trying to get at without casting aspersions.
 
Re: Gibson Les Paul alternatives, throw in all you know please

With upgraded pickups it's as good as any LP I've played.

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Re: Gibson Les Paul alternatives, throw in all you know please

This isn't to say that the Revstar isn't a nice guitar and I generally like Brett Kingmans demos, but, I don't think I've ever seen him dislike a product that he demoed ...

Brent gets paid for his demos, which are very well done, so I'm thinking it would not be in his best interest to dislike a product.

Yes, exactly what I was trying to get at without casting aspersions.
I don't care what he says about the guitar but he seemed like having a lot of fun playing it, and played the best I ever saw him play. It is my feeling. In any case I located a Revstar I liked and ordered, but your other suggestions will be on my radar for years to come . That Agile looks very solid and cool. I totally appreciate the support here.
 
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Re: Gibson Les Paul alternatives, throw in all you know please

I don't care what he says about the guitar but he seemed like having a lot of fun playing it, and played the best I ever saw him play. It is my feeling. In any case I located a Revstar I liked and ordered, but your other suggestions will be on my radar for years to come . That Agile looks very solid and cool. I totally appreciate the support here.

I think you made a solid choice. Can’t wait to read your review.
 
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