Gibson SG standard vs ESP E-II viper

[man-in-moon]

I know they are different animals. But I was wondering which is better quality. Of course in the viper I would change out the emgs. And I don’t really care for 24 frets but on the up side the thicker body seems like a plus. And it looks like the neck joint would be more stable. No one near me has any vipers to try though. I have played and owned several SG’s over the years so I know how they play and sound.
For anyone that had played both which do you prefer?

 

[Empty Pockets]

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The flatter neck and hotter pickups and offset body of the Viper are all more "metal" feeling to me and I don't tend to prefer them.

I'm kind of biased tho because I think the SG Standard is the perfect guitar for the money. You either get an SG Standard for $1k, a Les Paul for $2k or something custom for $3k.

 

[GuitarDoc]

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With binding nubs and neckdive, the SG Standard is FAR from "the perfect guitar for the money" (even IF you could get one for only $1k).

As much as I don't like ESPs, especially the Viper, I'd say it is probably noticably better quality than the Gibson.

 

[dystrust]

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As much as I don't like ESPs, especially the Viper, I'd say it is probably noticably better quality than the Gibson.

ESP's build quality is definitely more consistent than Gibson. That being said, I can't stand the narrow nut and thin-U profile that ESP insist on; I've owned a couple ESPs and sold them both.

 

[bigcupholder]

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ESPs are much higher quality than Gibson. The Viper is more expensive though. For some reason the Viper is even more expensive than the Eclipse, which I've never understood.

I've owned two Gibsons: an SG standard and a Les Paul Classic. Now I have two Eclipses. Both bought online without playing first, both amazing guitars. I wouldn't buy a Gibson online without playing it first.

ESP's build quality is definitely more consistent than Gibson. That being said, I can't stand the narrow nut and thin-U profile that ESP insist on; I've owned a couple ESPs and sold them both.

Wow I never noticed. The ESP nut is 1 mm narrower than the Gibson nut. I had to look it up because I couldn't tell the difference. For the record I hate narrow nuts like on Ernie Ball or Godin.

I don't find the neck profile all that thin either, although that's highly subjective. To me it feels like a slightly thinner and flatter version of the Gibson 60's neck, but not significantly different. I owned both at the same time.

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[The Dali]

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ESPs are much higher quality than Gibson. The Viper is more expensive though. For some reason the Viper is even more expensive than the Eclipse, which I've never understood.

I've owned two Gibsons: an SG standard and a Les Paul Classic. Now I have two Eclipses. Both bought online without playing first, both amazing guitars. I wouldn't buy a Gibson online without playing it first.



Wow I never noticed. The ESP nut is 1 mm narrower than the Gibson nut. I had to look it up because I couldn't tell the difference. For the record I hate narrow nuts like on Ernie Ball or Godin.

I don't find the neck profile all that thin either, although that's highly subjective. To me it feels like a slightly thinner and flatter version of the Gibson 60's neck, but not significantly different. I owned both at the same time.

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I've loved the thin u-necks on ESP and LTD guitars. Possibly because I have smaller hands?

 

[nexion218]

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Never played a Viper, but I recently bought a Horizon from the E-II line. It is just simply WOW. Even GuitarDoc applauded the attention to deatail and the quality of work on that thing. And to be honest, I'm not a fan ESP either, but it is as close to impeccable as I have ever seen. So if you don't mind the fugly shape P), I am almost certain that the Viper won't disappoint quality wise.

Oh and I agree that their "thin" necks are rather average/bulky, at least compared to my Jacksons.

 

[weepingminotaur]

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That being said, I can't stand the narrow nut and thin-U profile that ESP insist on; I've owned a couple ESPs and sold them both.

One player's trash is another's treasure. I love those thin U-necks.

 

[man-in-moon]

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Thanks everyone I have played some of the ltd’s but that’s about it. I do wish the bottom of the viper was more rounded. The elongated horns aren’t bad to me.

 

[superpete]

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i haven't played a viper, but i have a few gibson les pauls and an E-II eclipse. they are apples and oranges, so it really depends what you want to do with it or get out of it. the les pauls are classic sounding and feeling, the eII feels like a shred stick neck on a les paul style body. the EII is incredibly built, the fretwork is amazing, fit and finish flawless, and plays like a dream. the gibsons have killer tone and vibe, but the build quality isn't like the esp. i can see anyone preferring one over the other; you'd likely prefer the gibson for classic rock and the esp if you play more metal. but to answer which is better quality i gotta go E-II

 

[Empty Pockets]

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I call BS on everybody saying ESPs are hands-down better quality than Gibsons. I worked in music retail from 2009 until 2019 and was a dealer for both brands the entire time. They are equal build quality and we sent just as many ESPs back home for problems as we did Gibsons. If your local store has ****ty guitars in it it's because the people who work there don't know or care to send the bad ones back.

 

[nexion218]

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Well, thats your experience then. Some people just don't like putting lead and other weights in the control cavity, putting braces around the headstock or paying extra for binding nibbles that'll come of at the first refret. Gibson is a legend of rock and roll, but right now -sadly- it looks like the time has flown by them and they cant really seem to keep up or up their game. Calling people BS just beacause they had a different experience than yours is rather shortsighted and just not very smart.

 

[Aceman]

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I really want a cheap LTD 256 as my SG substitute!

Maybe toss a pair of Whole Lotta's in there....

 

[misterwhizzy]

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I owned both at the same time.

Yes, but did you PLAY both at the same time?

I have exactly zero skin in this game. I just can’t let the opportunity to say something ridiculous pass without taking it.

 

[Empty Pockets]

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Weights? Nibs? Headstock braces? You spend too much time online man.

 

[nexion218]

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Weights? Nibs? Headstock braces? You spend too much time online man.

I was quite obviously exaggerating, hinting at the particular model being notoriously neck-heavy, the propensity of Gibson's headstocks to break off due to their necks being carved from one piece and not using a scarfjoint, thus rendering the part of the neck that shoulders the most tension the weakest point of the whole construction. Also good luck finding someone who will refret it and keep those precious nibs. Besides, there are really people out there putting weight int their flawless guitars to keep the headstock from launching inti the ground. I'm not saying its normal or good, but it happens. But like I said: that is your opinion and it is fine. But that doesn't render othet people' s oppinion bullshyte.

 

[Artie]

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I really want a cheap LTD 256 as my SG substitute!

Maybe toss a pair of Whole Lotta's in there....

I like that one too. Especially the transparent cherry finish.

 

[superpete]

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I call BS on everybody saying ESPs are hands-down better quality than Gibsons. I worked in music retail from 2009 until 2019 and was a dealer for both brands the entire time. They are equal build quality and we sent just as many ESPs back home for problems as we did Gibsons. If your local store has ****ty guitars in it it's because the people who work there don't know or care to send the bad ones back.

i did retail from 2007 until 2015. we got 100s of LTDs that were far more consistent than Gibson, let alone the E-II series he's asking about. If you or anyone else prefers Gibson to ESP, I totally get it. But consistency and flawless QC was not their strong suit in that era.

 

[The_Junior]

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Ever thought about an 'Edwards' sg if you're leaning toward the traditional sg look?.

I'm not sure what tier Edwards is among LTD/ESP, but they are advertised as some entity to ESP.

 

[dystrust]

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Ever thought about an 'Edwards' sg if you're leaning toward the traditional sg look?.

I'm not sure what tier Edwards is among LTD/ESP, but they are advertised as some entity to ESP.

Edwards is a brand owned by ESP that's intended primarily for the Japanese domestic market. Build quality is on par with or slightly better than LTD.