Godin LG P-90 Upgrade

GeBe2

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Hi, I am very new to this site but I have been reading some wonderful posts made by some knowledgable people here. I would like a little help because I would Like to upgrade a Godin LG P 90 by replacing the pickups with Seymour Duncan Humbuckers, such as a set of P-Rails or something elese. My problem is that I am not sure if the guitar will fit the Humbuckers when the P 90's are removed. Could someone shed some light on this for me.


Thanks
GeBe2
 
Re: Godin LG P-90 Upgrade

Hello, and welcome to the forum. The guitar in question is routed for P-90s, and thus you can't simply swap them out with humbuckers.. but really my question is mostly what kind of music you play, and what is making you think that you want to swap out the pickups, like what do you want more (or less) of in your sound?
 
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I play mostly Classic Rock , nothing too heavy, but I was wondering about these Guitars because there are a few of the older LG's around with the Godin pups in them and you can pick thenm up for a very good price new. The only thing is that I could only find the P 90 and I have a strat and I thought I might want to try a humbucker style guitar. I was wondering about the routed hole but wasn't sure about them. I can get a newer one like the LG HB but I could have gotten one of the older ones and better pickups for less money. So I was actually thinking about two of them, one P90 then upgrade the other one later. Still good value. So thanks Timmy for the reply and advise.
 
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By the way, I tried the newer version of the LG and preferred the sound of the Humbuckers to the P90 in the two I compaired and I also tried the Summit Ct which is a newer version based on the same body but with some pretty upgrades. I loved the sound of it and it has the Alnico 2 neck and '59 bridge. I liked this combo and could hav upgrded the older LG to the same think for several hundred dollars less.
 
Re: Godin LG P-90 Upgrade

Don't do it! P-90's are a much-loved PU around here. Not many guitars have them (there are countless thousands of models with HB's). There are many recordings of wonderful P-90 tones, especially around 1970, such as Leslie West (of Mountain), Pete Townsend, Carlos Santana, Tony Iommi, & Danny Kirwan (Fleetwood Mac). These tones are just as powerful and heavy as any HB.

Option 1: 'Work with what you have." We do a lot of magnet swapping here; each kind of magent is made of a different mix of metals, which gives them different magnetic fields, so they 'read' different parts of the strings vibrations. If your tone is too dark, too scooped, too trebley, too bassy, etc, there are magnets that can fix that.

Option 2: Upgrade the P-90. There are many high quality P-90's available, and you can alos find them used on eBay and other online sources.
 
Re: Godin LG P-90 Upgrade

Some of this sounds way over my head but I hear what you are saying. I think what my problem is that I only started playing guitar a couple of years ago on an acoustic and now at 60 years of age I bought my first electric guitar, MIM strat with Texas Specials in it. I am having a great time with it and got the itch for another guitar (they are like brest, touch one and you want to touch them all. ). While on my search, I came across Godin and loved them, tried a couple and liked the way they played. Then I ran into an older model, the LG HmB at a very low price. The only problem is that it was the same colour as my strat (Black). Wanted something different and all they could get were 6 new ones but all P 90 at what I consider a good price, less than $400 CDN. Didn't know much aout p 90's but I liked the Godin Summit CT I tried and thought I could ugrade one of these guitars with similar pickups for a lot less money. So here I am and I am getting asome good info from the knowledgable people on this site. I am not sure about what to do with a magnet but option 2 tells me there is a difference in the types of P 90. That sounds interesting. I like all types of music that is not too hard but am limited by skill to what I can play ( but give me time).
 
Re: Godin LG P-90 Upgrade

Initially it can seem a little overwhelming, but nothing we do takes a brain surgeon. It's all low tech, with no previous experience required.

The windings on a PU have a huge impact on tone and output. Different gauges are used, and they're wound on coils in various degrees of uniformity or scatter wound. When you add a magnet, any metal object moving in the magnetic field generates a slight current in the coil of wire. That's your tone. Change the windings, wire, or magnet, and the tone changes.

HB's have 2 coils and 1 magnet; P-90's have 1 coil and 2 magnets, so the influence of magnets is greater in a P-90 (although windings are still important). These are the common magnets used in electric guitars:

A2 - warm, lots of mids, rounded high end, lots of dynamics, low end can be loose, low output
A3 - like an A2 but with more treble and less midrange
A4 - has a balanced EQ, medium output
A5 - ample treble and low end, scooped mids; tight low end, high output
A8 - warm and powerful, with ample mids and moderate treble, high output
Ceramic - very high output, some feel they're stiff and sterile sounding, but are good with high gain.

Most magnets are polished and shiny, which gives them a slightly sharper high-end sound. Roughcast (sand cast) magnets have a smoother high-end.

Duncan has HB's that are the same PU with just the magnet changed: Custom Custom (A2), Custom 5 (A5), and Custom (ceramic). On the forum, we take it a step further and have created two more PU's in the Custom family, the C8 and C4. The C8 is becoming the most popular of the Custom family on this forum, and it's not even a production model.

Likewise the JB is Duncan's best-known PU, which is also made with a ceramic (Duncan Distortion). And again, some of us modify those with an A2 (JB2) and A8 (JB8). You create a 'new' PU by simply changing the magnet. We do it all the time.

It really gets interesting with P-90's, as they have twin magnets, and they don't have to be two of the same kind. In the past couple years, some of us have done a lot of experimenting with this. You can dial in your tones more precisely with two magnets; it's like blending colors of paint, so you go beyond the primary colors and make new hues.

Here's what I've done with P-90 magnets:
Bridge - warmth and fullness are the priorities
A8/A8 - high output, warm and full, still enough treble to cut thru
A8/A4 - warm and full, with a bit less treble
A8/A5 - slightly more treble than the above pairs
A4/A4 - like an A8 pair, but with less output and a bit less mids; Fralin uses A4's in his P-90's

Neck - treble and definition are the priorities
A5/A5 - the classic Gibson P-90 pairing, bright and clear, good for dark woods
A5/A4 - a little less treble, and more mids
A5/A3 - bright with less output than twin A5's; can even be 'chimey' in some guitars, good for whan you want to back off the output a little
A5/A2 - warm and full, good for bright woods

In my HB's and P-90's, I use polished (smooth) magents in neck PU's for the sharper tone and better definition, and roughcast in the bridge to take off any harshness. Of course, this is a matter of taste. There's many options in the various models of P-90's, and many more in their magnets. I get great tones from mine, as do many others here. You can too.

Let me know how I can help.
 
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Re: Godin LG P-90 Upgrade

Thanks Blueman , I can see this fourm is going to become a learning expierence. Thanks for taking the time to explain this. Now I going to the diagram section to see where the magnets are and take it from there.
 
Re: Godin LG P-90 Upgrade

2 things...

gebe2, aren't the pickups in that godin already duncans?

and goddamn blue, that is one informative post.
 
Re: Godin LG P-90 Upgrade

Yes the P90's are Duncans . I started off wanting a set of Humbuckers in particular becusse there was a Godin Guitars I wanted ( Summit CT) but it is a little pricey so I thought I would go another route. Now it seems I have been advised by the Gods of Pups that maybe I should reconsider. No sleep tonight! Man, this playing guitar takes a lot out of an old guy.

Thanks everyone
 
Re: Godin LG P-90 Upgrade

DiMarzio makes some dirct replacement P90 sized humbuckers. you may want to look at those.
 
Re: Godin LG P-90 Upgrade

I took a look at the DiMarzio's and they look interestng, but I think if I decide to go P90 then I will just get the Godin P90 and not need humbuckers. I may end up with 2 new guitars and O wives by the time this is over.

Thanks
 
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I may end up with 2 new guitars and O wives by the time this is over.

Thanks

They get used to it. Get one guitar, than another, and another that looks like one of the first two. Then get one on a 'super deal' you couldn't pass up. Borrow one from a friend. Trade one for two other guitars (at least that's your story). Do some gigging and buy new gear with the proceeds. The point is to steadily get one here and there, so that a non-guiarist can't tell what the hell is going on. Stash them in inconspicuous places (closets, under beds, etc). Keep adding and when she asks "is that a new one", say "No, I've had had that one." Eventually they give up trying to tell what you have. They resign themselves to you having a collection. Everybody's happy. I've perfected this to a science.
 
Re: Godin LG P-90 Upgrade

If you need a replacement P90 then check out Lollar pickups. They are a bit pricey but they sound beautiful.

Lollar Pickups

And I have no experience with the Seymour Duncan Antiquity P90s but they are supposed to be excellent as well.
 
Re: Godin LG P-90 Upgrade

Fralin & Brian Gunsher make very good P-90's too. I'm thinking Duncan Antiquities might have A2's, which to me, don't work well in P-90's. The Duncan SP90-2 and SP90-3 have ceramics, another magnet choice I don't understand. Certainly not a vintage sound. I've replaced the ceramics in my Duncans with alnicos, and then they sound great.
 
Re: Godin LG P-90 Upgrade

welcome to the forum!

your comment about breasts show you are going to fit right in here :D

as for the guitar/pickups, yeah i think that you should buy a HB guitar if that is what you want ... dont try to turn a P90 guitar into an HB guitar ... just move it along to someone jonesin' for a P90 axe and get the one you really want

no guitar is a 'good deal' if it isnt what you really want - ask me how i learned that :D

good luck
t4d
 
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Man, keep the P-90's! They are GREAT pups for classic rock.

Leslie West (of Mountain), Pete Townsend, Carlos Santana, and don't forget Tommy Johnson (of the Doobie Brothers). Can't get more classic rock than those.

You can get absolutely gorgeous tones out of P-90's. If they don't sound the way you like the way they are stock, then take Blueman's advice and do some mag swaps. You WILL get the tone you are seeking from P-90's. Guaranteed !
 
Re: Godin LG P-90 Upgrade

^ switching from direct-mount P90s to mini-humbuckers isn't a simple process though, you'll need rings and possibly some other bits and pieces, depending on how you do it.

check out the GFS adaptor rings if you're going to do that; i hate to say it here, but if you really want humbuckers, some of the soapbar-sized dimarzios aren't bad.
i think bill lawrence made soapbar-sized humbuckers as well at one stage too, FYI

i'd get a few magnets and look at doing a shielding job on what you've got first though, before doing anything drastic.

good luck!
 
Re: Godin LG P-90 Upgrade

^ switching from direct-mount P90s to mini-humbuckers isn't a simple process though, you'll need rings and possibly some other bits and pieces, depending on how you do it.

check out the GFS adaptor rings if you're going to do that; i hate to say it here, but if you really want humbuckers, some of the soapbar-sized dimarzios aren't bad.
i think bill lawrence made soapbar-sized humbuckers as well at one stage too, FYI

i'd get a few magnets and look at doing a shielding job on what you've got first though, before doing anything drastic.

good luck!


Good info....I thought they were more of a direct swap type of thing.
 
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