Good high-gain tube amp for bedroom-level tones?

nikosteph

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Hi everyone, so I'm looking for a quality tube amp for higher-gain stuff. Something that can cover the range from overdriven classic rock (Zeppelin, AC/DC), hard rock (Guns 'n Roses), 80's metal, as well as stuff like Steve Vai and Metallica. I won't be playing ultra-high-gain metal stuff, but of course it's not a problem if the amp can go there.

I've already tried and was dissatisfied with a number of modeling amps, high-gain pedals through clean amps (e.g. the Triple Wreck, which was the closest I got to the tone I want...), and guitar modeling software like the Eleven Rack and Amplitube. Nothing quite nailed that saturated tone though, and so I've been saving up for the real deal. Something that's both good for thick chunky rhythms and searing shreddy leads hopefully...

First off, this is going to be mainly for bedroom level practicing and playing, though I may play smaller gigs at some point. As a result, I'm looking for something with lower wattage (15-20-ish watts) or at least a built-in attenuator. And I imagine I'll be playing through a 1x12 cab (or an analogous combo), since a 100-watt head and two 4x12's is a bit overkill! Some potential candidates I've narrowed the search include the following; I'm looking at a budget of around $1,500-2,000 total for both amp and cab.

- Engl Ironball (had a chance to test it, fantastic-sounding amp, and the power soak attenuator is great)
- Engl Gigmaster (is this high-gain enough? Or should I stick with the Ironball?)
- Mesa Boogie Mini Rectifier
- Orange Dark Terror (sounds a little thinner in general than the previous options...)
- EVH 5150 III combo (50 watts, but is tunable down to 1 watt)

Which of these would you recommend? Any other amps I'm missing? I plan on pairing this rig with a a Les Paul Studio, as well as a yet-to-be-determined high-gain, fixed-bridge, fast-playing guitar (I have an entirely other thread on that if you have suggestions!), to give you a sense of the stuff I like.

Thanks so much for the help!
 
Re: Good high-gain tube amp for bedroom-level tones?

The Slash signature AFD and the Yngwie heads both have power attenuation down to 1 watt. You'd have to find them used at this point, but they can be had. The Soldano Hot Rod 25 is another contender with a VH-type of choke in the power section.

http://www.slashparadise.com/equipment/marshall-afd100-slash-signature.php
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http://www.nstuffmusic.com/p-16046-...gnature-yjm100-100w-tube-guitar-amp-head.aspx
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http://www.soldano.com/products/guitar-amplifiers/hot-rod-25/
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Also, I use an Orange AD50 which sounds great and takes pedals well. I run it at 30 watts class A, and with the master volume turned down and the right pedals I can get into any territory from classic rock to modern metal.
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Re: Good high-gain tube amp for bedroom-level tones?

Beau named some good options. Also, check out amps like the Traynor Custom Blue 50 which has two channels plus a boost as well as a master volume knob so you can really crank the gain at low volumes. I used to own one and they really sound great!
 
Re: Good high-gain tube amp for bedroom-level tones?

I went evh iii 2x12 combo. it even has a headphone jack if your worried about 1 watt.
 
Re: Good high-gain tube amp for bedroom-level tones?

That tone your looking for... you probably wont find at bedroom levels out of anything. 100 watt amps that are cranked then attenuated down to conversation levels lose a lot of their feel. The sound of a 1x12 not being pushed is stale compared to a 4x12 that is moving some air. There are many amps with master volumes that sound decent at low volume but never capture the visceral feeling of a cranked amp.

Even a 15 watt amp will tear your head off when cranked.
 
Re: Good high-gain tube amp for bedroom-level tones?

Great suggestions, thanks everyone! Definitely some good stuff to check out as well here.

And yeah, I know that no amp will give the "true" feel of a good cranked metal rig at low volumes, but unfortunately I don't have the luxury of being able to play too loudly (my neighbors are very noise-complaint trigger-happy), so I'm aiming for the closest facsimile I can get. At least tubes sound more organic than any modeling amps/software and pedals, even at lower volumes/gains, so I have to take the best I can get :).
 
Re: Good high-gain tube amp for bedroom-level tones?

I'm thinking the new 6505 20Watter from peavey might be a good option for you.
 
Re: Good high-gain tube amp for bedroom-level tones?

Oh good call, I hadn't even heard of that one. I tried a 6505+ combo once, but it was only usable at bedroom-levels at the very lowest Master setting. This one seems to be attenuatable, which is cool!
 
Re: Good high-gain tube amp for bedroom-level tones?

The IRT Studio sounds good for bedroom playing, with phones(studio ones). Mesa has th mini rectifier & maybe the trans atlantic can do high gain with a boost. Probably go for a 212, it wont be any louder than a 112 with same speakers, but provide a nicer spread & fullness to the sound.

I never liked power tube saturation for any kind of metal(old or modern). Most of the big metal amps are the way they are for good reasons; big tubes, big transformers together with a 412 to form a big bold controlled low end in the sound that doesnt get farty. Attenuating them to apartment volumes makes them sound like what they do when the volume is near or at 1 on the dial, sounds a mess with the added initial preamp gain as well. Sometimes the inbuilt attenuation feature is just a volume control placed before the poweramp. Anyways, see if you can find a place to play these beasts, like local jam sessions or something, it will be more fun that way & you may be able to get more amp choices to pick from too.
 
Re: Good high-gain tube amp for bedroom-level tones?

So am I, however, I didn't suggesting guessing that it was a bit too much coin for one looking for a low-wattage amp. I might have been totally wrong though.



I got mine (used) at a very decent price !
 
Re: Good high-gain tube amp for bedroom-level tones?

I have my EVH 5150 III 50 watt, and it does bedroom levels very well, even without the attenuators the combo versions have
 
Re: Good high-gain tube amp for bedroom-level tones?

I got mine (used) at a very decent price !

Me too but (at least) in my part of the world the good deals (or incredible deals like mine) are very hard to come by and they can't be found below 1500$ around here. Good deal for this head? Sure. Still a lot of dough if it's only to be used as a bedroom amp IMHO... still, this is may all be moot, depending on the OP's budget. The important thing is that it's out there in the suggestions! Cheers!
 
Re: Good high-gain tube amp for bedroom-level tones?

Which Jet City amp is that?
It's a PicoValve, which was designed by THD for JetCity as the younger brother of the UniValve. They don't make it anymore, unfortunately, but you can find them floating around. I've got one that I have loaded with a JJ 6CA7. It's pretty sweet.
 
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