Good strap locks?
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Captain Tightpants
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Re: Good strap locks?
Well, it ain't too pretty, but if your worried about straplock failure, go with #8 eyebolts and a pair of mountain-climber-type clips, they WILL NOT EVER come loose! Best part, you can get enough for four guitars at a hardware store or Home Depot for what you'd pay for 1 set of Schallers. That's all I use on my live guitars, but like I said, it ain't too pretty!
Well, it ain't too pretty, but if your worried about straplock failure, go with #8 eyebolts and a pair of mountain-climber-type clips, they WILL NOT EVER come loose! Best part, you can get enough for four guitars at a hardware store or Home Depot for what you'd pay for 1 set of Schallers. That's all I use on my live guitars, but like I said, it ain't too pretty!
Zerberus
Baron Von Shred
Re: Good strap locks?
Interesting... I´ve been using them professionally for nearkly 15 years and neither I nor any of my customers haver eve3r had issues where the nut needed to be "set".... maybe you just got a pair that happened to be on the "loose" side of machinhíng tolerances?
The Golden Boy said:
Interesting... I´ve been using them professionally for nearkly 15 years and neither I nor any of my customers haver eve3r had issues where the nut needed to be "set".... maybe you just got a pair that happened to be on the "loose" side of machinhíng tolerances?
JacksonMIA
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Here's another one for Schaller.
I wonder what Yngwie uses. On the newest G3 DVD he's really putting them to the test.
Here's another one for Schaller.
I wonder what Yngwie uses. On the newest G3 DVD he's really putting them to the test.
BornToShred
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Schallers work for me.
Schallers work for me.
The Golden Boy
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The first set of Schallers I had was on my 65 Jazzmaster, the nut came undone and the nut and washer fell off the strap and the strap fell off the locking mechanism which was perfectly fastened to the guitar. I hated Schallers just because of that incident. I don't believe it was machining tolerances or anything, nuts come undone- especially when they're clamping a piece of leather that's being twisted around and moving. In the 3 or so years since I switched to Schaller I've never had to tighten the nut on the strap.Zerberus said:Interesting... I´ve been using them professionally for nearkly 15 years and neither I nor any of my customers haver eve3r had issues where the nut needed to be "set".... maybe you just got a pair that happened to be on the "loose" side of machinhíng tolerances?
The Golden Boy
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Re: Good strap locks?
I assume you're talking about the washers on Grolsch flip cap bottles?V-Spot said:
The Golden Boy
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MikeS
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I use both the Schaller and Dunlop straplocks. I know what TheGoldenBoy is referring to… a couple times I’ve had the nut come loose on the Schallers. Part of the problem was I didn’t modify the leather strap, so getting the washer and the nut on there was a challenge since there weren’t many threads showing on the shaft when I started tightening. I suppose that after a period of time, the nut just naturally gets a bit loose… maybe I should have kept turning the nut a bit tighter.
The Dunlops are nice because you can still use a traditional strap with them if you don’t recess them. On guitars with no upper horn, I like to recess the Dunlops for a nice clean look. I did that to my Tele with great success.
I use both the Schaller and Dunlop straplocks. I know what TheGoldenBoy is referring to… a couple times I’ve had the nut come loose on the Schallers. Part of the problem was I didn’t modify the leather strap, so getting the washer and the nut on there was a challenge since there weren’t many threads showing on the shaft when I started tightening. I suppose that after a period of time, the nut just naturally gets a bit loose… maybe I should have kept turning the nut a bit tighter.
The Dunlops are nice because you can still use a traditional strap with them if you don’t recess them. On guitars with no upper horn, I like to recess the Dunlops for a nice clean look. I did that to my Tele with great success.
Jazz Rock
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I know the feeling. My studio went down because the damn thing didn't clipped the strap. The head banged on my desk, the G-tuner is very loose now, and a ding appeared when it touch the ground on the edge. I still some times got a problem to unlock the thing... I was originaly looking for straps for the new strat of my brother, but I think I am gonna get some for my Pauls as well.
Thanks for all these replies... espacially as the content was pretty much always the same. I got the message. Schaller all the way.
Just one question Pinto, you said you had a hard time finding a gold strap locks. Is it more commun now, or it will still be a nightmare to find one... I would need one for the studio.
The Golden Boy said:
I know the feeling. My studio went down because the damn thing didn't clipped the strap. The head banged on my desk, the G-tuner is very loose now, and a ding appeared when it touch the ground on the edge. I still some times got a problem to unlock the thing... I was originaly looking for straps for the new strat of my brother, but I think I am gonna get some for my Pauls as well.
Thanks for all these replies... espacially as the content was pretty much always the same. I got the message. Schaller all the way.
Just one question Pinto, you said you had a hard time finding a gold strap locks. Is it more commun now, or it will still be a nightmare to find one... I would need one for the studio.
JacksonMIA
Lemur-buckerologist
The Golden Boy
Fleecy Sweaterologist
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For YEARS I defended the Dunlops- more or less because that's what I was using, I liked them and they're easier to lock in and unlock. After several straplock failures, including the one that almost killed a 45 year old $5000 guitar, I looked at the mechanics of it, the Dunlops have either 2 or 4 spring loaded ball bearings supporting the weight of your guitar (depending on the age of the Dunlop lock you're using) . That's it. Those bearings fit into a trough on the female end of the mechanism- that's all that holds your guitar onto your strap. The Schaller has a cast metal cup that's held in place by a spring loaded plunger. Even if the plunger fails, the cup is more than capable of supporting the weight of most any guitar. (any guitar a human being can carry around) If the Schaller fails, it's going to be from the nut and washer coming undone. Loc-Tite, clear nail polish- something to keep that nut from loosening- and it's pretty much idiot proof.
For YEARS I defended the Dunlops- more or less because that's what I was using, I liked them and they're easier to lock in and unlock. After several straplock failures, including the one that almost killed a 45 year old $5000 guitar, I looked at the mechanics of it, the Dunlops have either 2 or 4 spring loaded ball bearings supporting the weight of your guitar (depending on the age of the Dunlop lock you're using) . That's it. Those bearings fit into a trough on the female end of the mechanism- that's all that holds your guitar onto your strap. The Schaller has a cast metal cup that's held in place by a spring loaded plunger. Even if the plunger fails, the cup is more than capable of supporting the weight of most any guitar. (any guitar a human being can carry around) If the Schaller fails, it's going to be from the nut and washer coming undone. Loc-Tite, clear nail polish- something to keep that nut from loosening- and it's pretty much idiot proof.
S
Skarekrough
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It's kind of the physics of the whole thing. Any nut that goes onto a threaded post and doesn't have another force acting on it (plastic, rubber) is going to be prone to loosening due to vibration and general wear and tear. This is why Loc-Tite gets used constantly on motorcycles; they'll vibrate anything apart given half a chance. Even if you crank it down the odds are that without an internal provision it's simply a matter of enough outside force to get the nut to break free.
On Schallers one of the most common things is to see just a chunk of the strap in the thread. If torked on there and caught in it provides enough excess pressure to resist loosening.
If you use nail polish or Loc-Tite then it removes the potential for loosening almost entirely. I used Loc-Tite on an Ernie Ball strap I'd cut the flaps of leather away on for a clean fit. That was probably, 1988. I still use that strap everyday and neither of the nuts have budged.
Zerberus said:Interesting... I´ve been using them professionally for nearkly 15 years and neither I nor any of my customers haver eve3r had issues where the nut needed to be "set".... maybe you just got a pair that happened to be on the "loose" side of machinhíng tolerances?
It's kind of the physics of the whole thing. Any nut that goes onto a threaded post and doesn't have another force acting on it (plastic, rubber) is going to be prone to loosening due to vibration and general wear and tear. This is why Loc-Tite gets used constantly on motorcycles; they'll vibrate anything apart given half a chance. Even if you crank it down the odds are that without an internal provision it's simply a matter of enough outside force to get the nut to break free.
On Schallers one of the most common things is to see just a chunk of the strap in the thread. If torked on there and caught in it provides enough excess pressure to resist loosening.
If you use nail polish or Loc-Tite then it removes the potential for loosening almost entirely. I used Loc-Tite on an Ernie Ball strap I'd cut the flaps of leather away on for a clean fit. That was probably, 1988. I still use that strap everyday and neither of the nuts have budged.
pinto79
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Re: Good strap locks?
I'm sure they're reasonable easy to get. You know how it is, the one thing you need this week is only thing EVERY store has run out of, or "We have it at our (Insert 1.5 hour drive to store location here) store...
I found them finally... I'm glad I didn't settle for Dunlops...
Jazz Rock said:
I'm sure they're reasonable easy to get. You know how it is, the one thing you need this week is only thing EVERY store has run out of, or "We have it at our (Insert 1.5 hour drive to store location here) store...
I found them finally... I'm glad I didn't settle for Dunlops...
hellrider77
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Re: Good strap locks?
i use eye hooks from the hardware store and those small carabiner rings. for some reason, i cant find a strap long enough and the extra length the carabiners give is perfect. plus they work really well with my logging chain strap.
i use eye hooks from the hardware store and those small carabiner rings. for some reason, i cant find a strap long enough and the extra length the carabiners give is perfect. plus they work really well with my logging chain strap.
rainsong86
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both of my bandmates (guitarist and bassist) have f**ked up their instruments because of faulty schallers... huuuuuge dents.. I've been using dunlops because they're easier to put on (jus press the button and slide in), they look muuuuch better, and they don't F up
both of my bandmates (guitarist and bassist) have f**ked up their instruments because of faulty schallers... huuuuuge dents.. I've been using dunlops because they're easier to put on (jus press the button and slide in), they look muuuuch better, and they don't F up
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