Greenie Set 50's Wiring Diagram For Dummies

[Jeff_H]

Would someone please point me to a wiring diagram to re-install my Greenie set into my new Les Paul? 2 conductor braided lead and I need the diagram that shows grounding, switch, jack and capacitor(s) wire placement for the 50's wiring mod. I'm not electronically gifted so I need the dummies wiring diagram that a 5 year old can follow, please.

***I did search the site, but can't find a diagram related to the Greenie set.

Also, since the magnet is actually flipped during construction in the custom shop, I believe the guitar can just be wired as two normal HB's would be, but would someone clarify that for me please? I do want the middle position out of phase sounds to be available.

Thank you all in advance.

 

[VinceT]

Re: Greenie Set 50's Wiring Diagram For Dummies

Yup, it’s a standard HH wiring scheme - diagram below.

The only difference is that you have 2-wire pickups, so you won’t see the red/white wires that are indicated on the diagram - just ignore that.

The Greenies have the magnet flipped so that they’ll be out-of-phase in the middle position - you don’t have to do anything with the wiring.

The only thing to be aware of from my experience is, if you are chasing his OOP tone, relative pickup height is really important. In some pics/vids his neck pickup is beneath the pickup ring - and mine ended up quite low when I was dialing the tone in (my LP has 59s, and I made them electronically OOP rather than flipping the magnet).

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[Lewguitar]

Re: Greenie Set 50's Wiring Diagram For Dummies

If you want 50’s wiring, simply connecting each tone control to the middle terminal of the corresponding volume pot, instead of the terminal that the hot wire of the pickup is connected to, gets you very close.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: Greenie Set 50's Wiring Diagram For Dummies

That diagram is actually not 50s tone but modern tone. In order to get 50s (or vintage) tone you need to move the tone control's input wire from the volume control's input lug to the volume control's output (middle) lug.

This diagram also gives you "dependent" volume control. If you want "independent" volume controls (with 50's tone), leave the tone input wire where it is on the tone pot and the vol pot in this diagram, but switch the input and output wires on the vol pot...so, vol input (from the pup) is the center lug, vol output is the outside lug, tone pot input comes from the vol output (outside lug).

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: Greenie Set 50's Wiring Diagram For Dummies

Here's a very short article by Orpheo that explains the difference between "modern" and "50s" wiring...

https://www.seymourduncan.com/blog/tips-and-tricks/lespaulwiring

 

[Jeff_H]

Re: Greenie Set 50's Wiring Diagram For Dummies

Thanks Vince and Les, much appreciated.

Doc, if I understand you correctly, I simply attach the leads from each pickup (the inner braided wire in this case) to the CENTER lug of each volume pot and otherwise follow the rest of the diagram as shown. Is that correct? And yes, I would like 50's wiring with independent volume controls.

Sorry for being dense, but I am really bad with electrical stuff.

 

[Jeff_H]

Re: Greenie Set 50's Wiring Diagram For Dummies

Oops, just saw the link you posted. I'll check that out now. Thank you.

 

[Jeff_H]

Re: Greenie Set 50's Wiring Diagram For Dummies

Ok, I think I have it now. We'll see how it goes later today. I have one more dumb question. Do you guys actually fold the center lug of the tone pots and the outer unused lug of the volume pots back onto the back of the pot and solder them, or do you use a short length of wire to make the connection? I suspect the answer is that either is fine, but I want to be sure.

 

[blueman335]

Re: Greenie Set 50's Wiring Diagram For Dummies

Ok, I think I have it now. We'll see how it goes later today. I have one more dumb question. Do you guys actually fold the center lug of the tone pots and the outer unused lug of the volume pots back onto the back of the pot and solder them, or do you use a short length of wire to make the connection? I suspect the answer is that either is fine, but I want to be sure.

I've seen both ways, both ways work. Using a wire lookers cleaner and neater.

 

[blueman335]

Re: Greenie Set 50's Wiring Diagram For Dummies

You can also use modern wiring with the Kinman treble bleed mod, and keep treble as you roll down the volume pots.

 

[VinceT]

Re: Greenie Set 50's Wiring Diagram For Dummies

Yeah, I missed the request for 50s wiring, sorry - others have got you!


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[Chistopher]

Re: Greenie Set 50's Wiring Diagram For Dummies

Hey Jeff, how do you like the Greenies? They are the only set I haven't tried yet from the Custom Shop.

 

[Jeff_H]

Re: Greenie Set 50's Wiring Diagram For Dummies

Hey Jeff, how do you like the Greenies? They are the only set I haven't tried yet from the Custom Shop.

Hi..... I'm actually very impressed with the Greenie set. There are a lot of words that mean different things to different people like clarity, smooth, airy, etc. I'll try to explain the best I can using my words. Let me preface this by saying I am a PAF output or similar kind of guy, using A2 magnets. I don't really care for pickups that are too hot. I've used the JB and the Custom(s) along with the Original PATB. I liked them for different guitars, but not for LP's. Especially disliked the C5.

Lets start with the bridge pickup. It's a great PAF bridge. Different than the Seth or Ant or others. It has good bite, but with a warmth to it that doesn't get in the way of the clarity of the pickup. I hear each note ringing out, but without any harsh treble notes or wooly low notes. It's spec'd at 8.7K and my box lists 8.5k.....but MJ's writing on my box is pretty bad, so I'm not exactly sure it says that. Regardless, it's just a really nice version of a PAF bridge that will play almost any style of music you want, with the exception of hard core metal and other such music. I like it better than either the Seth or the Ant, and I have both.

Now for the neck. Specs list 7.7k and mine is 7.6k...I can read that one. The neck has the most clarity of any of the PAF necks that I've used, without being too bright or having a hollow sound or booming lows. They are articulate like the bridge, but it is very warm. I can also hear individual notes clearly within chords with no mud. It does the Slash thing better than the APH, which has been my go to neck pickup in almost every other guitar I've had. It's not as muted as the APH can be sometimes..... almost like taking a blanket off of the APH tone..... but a light blanket.

Middle position..... works just as described. They have a nice sound together with the volumes and tone on full, without the out of phase sound engaged. I clearly need more practice with the out of phase because I can't make it sound quite like the soundclips on the site. I'm not sure its a tone I'd use a lot, but it would be nice to feel competent with it.

Also, I haven't tried these yet in a Les Paul. Right now they're in a USA Dean Hardtail. Same controls, bridge, tailpiece setup as a LP, and the same combination of mahogany body and carved 3/4 inch maple top. They sound similar to a Les Paul, but maybe a bit brighter overall.

I like the Greenie set enough that I'd like to have another set to put in my LP and leave the set in my Hardtail. The $300 and 6 week wait are obstacles.... but mainly the cost. I think I'll put my Brobucker and either a Seth or PGn in my Hardtail once the Greenies are out.

Anyhow, those are my thoughts and I hope they help you some. They are for sure my favorite PAF pickup set. MJ wound mine, but I'm not sure that matters. I didn't ask for anything special. Just a standard Greenie set.