Guitar Skins?

[Jack_TriPpEr]

Small update on this project: it's been on hold because home renovation projects have taken priority... and I needed to figure out first what wiring scheme I wanted to use in this guitar and how many drill holes for additional pots and switches that would require. As I would want to drill those out before installing the new skin. So the update in that regard, is that I've decided to put a Sustainiac brand sustainer pickup in the neck position of this guitar. *if* my plan to use push-pushes and Fender S1 switches instead of toggle switches pans out, I'd only need to drill one additional hole (for a pot). I'm waiting to hear back from Sustainiac customer service regarding some questions i had in that regard.

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[Mincer]

Small update on this project: it's been on hold because home renovation projects have taken priority... and I needed to figure out first what wiring scheme I wanted to use in this guitar and how many drill holes for additional pots and switches that would require. As I would want to drill those out before installing the new skin. So the update in that regard, is that I've decided to put a Sustainiac brand sustainer pickup in the neck position of this guitar. *if* my plan to use push-pushes and Fender S1 switches instead of toggle switches pans out, I'd only need to drill one additional hole (for a pot). I'm waiting to hear back from Sustainiac customer service regarding some questions i had in that regard.

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I always wanted to put a Sustainer pickup on a guitar, mainly because I use an Ebow all the time. I could see this working with Fender S1 switches.

 

[Jack_TriPpEr]

I always wanted to put a Sustainer pickup on a guitar, mainly because I use an Ebow all the time. I could see this working with Fender S1 switches.

Cool, thanks. Alan at Sustainiac already got back to me and he cautioned me that from his experience, every push-push pot he's encountered was make-b4-break, and the Sustainiac wiring needs to use break-b4-make to avoid loud pops when using the switch. So i am going to have to do some Continuity checks on the push-push pots and S1 switches i have on-hand to see if they i can even use them. Will repory back here what i find. Probably won't have a chance til later tonight.

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[Jack_TriPpEr]

Cool, thanks. Alan at Sustainiac already got back to me and he cautioned me that from his experience, every push-push pot he's encountered was make-b4-break, and the Sustainiac wiring needs to use break-b4-make to avoid loud pops when using the switch. So i am going to have to do some Continuity checks on the push-push pots and S1 switches i have on-hand to see if they i can even use them. Will repory back here what i find. Probably won't have a chance til later tonight.

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Guess what? Alan at Sustainiac already replied with info about the S1s. He says he knows that they are designed as break-b4-make. So i will definitely be able to avoid having to usr toggle switches. I'm still going to Continuity test my push-pushes later, as I'd prefer to use them whenever possible since they are much less expensive than S1s.

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[alex1fly]

I was all set to put a Sustainiac in one of my guitars until I found enough demos and reviews to show me that when you play more than one note at a time, after a few seconds one note will overtake the other. So for me I don't see a significant advantage of a Sustainiac system over an Ebow or other hand held sustainer. Ebows can be used on any instrument; Sustainiac is a PITA to install and is limited to a single instrument.

Just my $.01

 

[Jack_TriPpEr]

I was all set to put a Sustainiac in one of my guitars until I found enough demos and reviews to show me that when you play more than one note at a time, after a few seconds one note will overtake the other. So for me I don't see a significant advantage of a Sustainiac system over an Ebow or other hand held sustainer. Ebows can be used on any instrument; Sustainiac is a PITA to install and is limited to a single instrument.

Just my $.01

Ok, thanks for the heads-up. It's been a couple years since I did my research about which one to get, ebow or sustainer. I spent some time today reviewing the latest videos on youtube where the two were compared. I ended up still concluding that the sustainer is a better match to the sound I want to achieve, and how I want to go about achieving it (handheld device that requires me to get proficient in how to use it vs just flicking a switch on a guitar.

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[Mincer]

I was all set to put a Sustainiac in one of my guitars until I found enough demos and reviews to show me that when you play more than one note at a time, after a few seconds one note will overtake the other. So for me I don't see a significant advantage of a Sustainiac system over an Ebow or other hand held sustainer. Ebows can be used on any instrument; Sustainiac is a PITA to install and is limited to a single instrument.

Just my $.01

Never thought about this...good to know. I will try a guitar with one before I try to install.

 

[Guest]

I was all set to put a Sustainiac in one of my guitars

I actually owned an ASI Sustainiac guitar back in the day. Pre installed, standard equipment. It wasn't all that bad actually. I never used the system for anything but leads. I don't really think it was for anything more than leads, even an Elbow isn't meant for anything more than that. I liked actually not having to hold something to get the desired effect.

 

[Guest]

There you go......

 

[Jack_TriPpEr]

Just spent some time using my two multimeters to Continuity test the changeover of the pole from one set of contacts to another (up to down and vice versa) for a few different push-pushes and push-pulls I have on-hand. I don't trust the results. Every item seemed to be Make-Before-Break. I expected at least the push-pulls to test as Break-Before-Make based on Alan's earlier comments. Most of these pots are not labeled with a brand name, so I have nothing to search by online to see what the nominal spec is. Except that one of these (a push-pull) is marked as a Bourns product. So i just submitted a message to Bourns customer service asking them to tell me.

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[Jack_TriPpEr]

Just had an idea. I can re-try my Continuity tests, but next time asking my wife to provide a 2nd set of hands. I need to ensure the alligator clips placed on the lugs don't shift around and give me false positives as I am push-pushing or push-pulling on the pot shafts. A 2nd set of hands can help do that. But won't be able to get that help until she recovers from her mild fever due to bronchitis.

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[EuEuRo]

Awesome that the thread is alive still. I've never heard of such "skins" before. I'm gonna try them

 

[Jack_TriPpEr]

Update: Just placed my order for the Sustainiac pickup/driver.

Also figured out that by using a combination of Fender S1 switches and push-pull pots, I don't need to drill any new holes in the guitar to fit the additional Sustainiac controls & pot.

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[Mincer]

One thing I was never clear on...can the driver also be used as a normal pickup?

 

[Jack_TriPpEr]

One thing I was never clear on...can the driver also be used as a normal pickup?

Yes. Additionally, there is tbe option to change btw Singlecoil voicing and Humbucker voicing. I will definitely be tapping into that.

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[Jack_TriPpEr]

Yes. Additionally, there is tbe option to change btw Singlecoil voicing and Humbucker voicing. I will definitely be tapping into that.

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UPDATE: my order of the Sustainiac pickup system arrived. However, I decided I am going to install it in a different guitar. I will start a different thread about that project.

The good news is this means the guitar that will get the Inzane skin installed, moves to the front of the queue of my current in-work projects. By the end of this upcoming weekend, I expect to have the skin installed and pics and feedback to post about it.

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[Masta' C]

I can't wait to see how it turns out!

 

[Jack_TriPpEr]

I spent some time on this project tonight. Would have kept going and gotten farther but I discovered I need (but don't own) a 1/2" woodworking drill bit. And Home Depot is already closed for the night (early since it is a Sunday).

In the pic, you can see see the 2 way switch i started to add tonight, inserted into the new 1/4" drill hole from the backside... but as you can see, since the length of the shaft on the 2 way switch isn't long enough to pop all the way free and clear of the new hole, I'm going to have to drill a wider concentric shelf around that 1/4" hole, like you see on the other (stock) pot holes nearby. Hence the need for a 1/2" woodworking drill bit. I'll also be adding a 2nd 2-way switch to the right of the one in-progress.

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[Jack_TriPpEr]

I spent some time on this project tonight. Would have kept going and gotten farther but I discovered I need (but don't own) a 1/2" woodworking drill bit. And Home Depot is already closed for the night (early since it is a Sunday).

In the pic, you can see see the 2 way switch i started to add tonight, inserted into the new 1/4" drill hole from the backside... but as you can see, since the length of the shaft on the 2 way switch isn't long enough to pop all the way free and clear of the new hole, I'm going to have to drill a wider concentric shelf around that 1/4" hole, like you see on the other (stock) pot holes nearby. Hence the need for a 1/2" woodworking drill bit. I'll also be adding a 2nd 2-way switch to the right of the one in-progress.

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Gave this more thought. I would need something besides a drill bit to create that concentric circle on top. Probably some type of dremel tool extension. Also realized i'd prefer to remove material on the backside, in the cavity, than here on the top side. Since its a switch and not a wider knob that needs to fit in that spot, there's no reason in this case to have the wider recess on the top side.

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[Jack_TriPpEr]

Seems like what I want is a Forstner bit.

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