Guitar synths - anybody (still) use them?

Sirion

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I have always been attracted to the concept of the guitar synth. Around 2004 I briefly owned a Roland GK-33, but sold it after tampering with it for a while. At the time I wasn't playing in a context where I could find too much use for it, and the whole thing mosly ended with me playing with using a church organ patch for playing slide (you'll never hear that anywhere else!). I sold it with a slight profit, but from time to time I have regretted it since.

Today, though, I can see so many things that might have been usable for. For me I think the eureka moment for me was when I first hear Judas Priest's Turbo album. Never mind it being a much-maligned album; I was deeply impressed by the way they mixed conventional guitar sounds and synth sounds to create a dark Cyberpunk soundscape you don't really hear all that often. They had also grasped the essence of the beast: a guitar synth is still more guitar than synth. Guitarists are "one-handed pianists" and will remain so. Once one treats it like a guitar, however, I can see immense possibilities with mixing traditional guitar sounds and synth effects in manners one cannot do with a traditional synth. I was onto the track of this with the aforementioned organ patch, but failed to capitalise on it. For instance, I can see things like distorted synth sounds being given texture by adding a synth sound with a delayed attack; it wouldn't be heard during active passages, but held chords would be thickened. Of course it can also work as an easy way to conjure an acoustic guitar, or even more exotic plucked instruments in a pinch.

If I ever get a new band project up and running, I suspect I will be getting one of these again, and make it an integral part of my guitar work. Are there anybody else who have been using them, or are still, who have found interesting ways to use it?
 
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There is also the V-Guitar system. I remember looking at it but not being able to afford it at the time. Today I don't really care too much for that idea; copying other guitars isn't what I would want to do with it. It seems like I'm not alone, and that the thing has gone out of production...
 
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The garage band I'm in has 3 guitarists. One uses a guitar synth and when there are instruments other than guitar, he finds a patch matching those instruments and pays those parts.

It's a great rig. And much cheaper and faster than buying said instruments and learning to play them. it's funny because he looks at my pedal collection and wonders why I don't just get a guitar synth and call it a day. Lol
 
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I have a couple of 13-pin devices: a VG-99 and a GP-10. I got them to explore timbres outside the traditional guitar sounds. Unfortunately, other commitments (musical and otherwise) have not allowed me to explore their potential as much as I'd like. Hopefully after I complete my current recording project I'll have time for the deep dive I need to make them do my bidding.
 
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I just use a neck pickup with the tone rolled down and into a distorted sound (however it is that you achieve that). Sounds like a Moog.
 
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I have two synth pedals on my bass board. So much fun.

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The synth in "Turbo" is just part of the background. Listen to Allan Holdsworth's "Secrets" for excessive use of SynthAxe.
 
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I've actually considered getting one for the purpose of recording. All those other instrument sounds and not having to learn another instrument appeals to me
 
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I have a weird-looking guitar (kinda like a Parker Fly) with the Roland GK2 system built in (it is the 'internal' version with the circuitry inside the instrument). I run that into a Roland GI-20 13-pin to MIDI interface and then into a Roland JV-1080 sound module packed with their expansion cards, ('vintage keyboard', 'bass and drums', 'orchestra' and 'session', IIRC).

My new audio interface doesn't have MIDI, so now I need to get a USB/MIDI cable for recording.
 
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Don't currently use one...really would like to in order to get String tones and maybe a Synth lead tone.....just never needed it enough to buy one.
 
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I had a GI-20 and GK-3 that I should've kept, as it had serious potential. I ran it into an Alesis QS6, which has some nice horn patches. Played around with the flute patch as well, but didn't really have anything worked up at the time that I could've used it with. With some patches, you have to play ahead of the beat to trigger the sound at the right moment, especially with that flute when playing along to Stairway. Whatever it uses to fade in the sound to make it more believable wasn't too smooth - it went from immediate to "fade in too slowly" going from one increment to the next.

But that's the sound module's problem, the Roland gear worked great.


Using the neck pickup with a farty fuzz and the tone backed off works with a dark neck pickup, and if all you want is a Moog tone. If you want synth strings, pads, horns, and John Lord's distorted Hammond B3, not so much.
 
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I do. The Fishman Triple Play is currently the fastest one being developed, but you either have to use a special pedal to use it with hardware synths, or use your computer live. So it is a little clumsy even without the 13 pin cable. With the all-in-one systems like the Roland, you are limited to onboard sounds, as the midi out from these is much slower.
Roland looks like it has given up on current synth technology for the time being- although they have a unit that plays polyphonically from a normal guitar input. But this isn't samples, it is real analog synth tones. I would think at some point we'd get something like the E-H pedals in a box, that can do electric pianos , organs, flutes, and strings.
But synth players are sort of in a holding pattern as technology develops. Especially if you want to trigger samples, like pianos, strings and organs.
 
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The synth in "Turbo" is just part of the background. Listen to Allan Holdsworth's "Secrets" for excessive use of SynthAxe.

Surely some of KK's leads (Locked In?) are synths? I agree that it for the most part is subtle, though, and that was part of what appealed to me: Rather than using it as a substitute for a keyboard synth (or even for any particular instruments emulated) it was used to augment the guitars, using the unique capabilities of the instrument (at least if the leads are synths). I've heard some of those songs live in recent years, and Turbo Lover sounds very flat to my ears once the oscillating synth guitar is removed. With it the song went into a dark, fascinating soundscape very of their peers tried to explore.

Thanks for the tip about Holdsworth! I am semi-familiar with H, and own several of his records, but I haven't listened to him for a few years. Secrets escaped me at the time I was buying his stuff, but it should be easy to find in the Spotify age.

I do. The Fishman Triple Play is currently the fastest one being developed, but you either have to use a special pedal to use it with hardware synths, or use your computer live. So it is a little clumsy even without the 13 pin cable. With the all-in-one systems like the Roland, you are limited to onboard sounds, as the midi out from these is much slower.
Roland looks like it has given up on current synth technology for the time being- although they have a unit that plays polyphonically from a normal guitar input. But this isn't samples, it is real analog synth tones. I would think at some point we'd get something like the E-H pedals in a box, that can do electric pianos , organs, flutes, and strings.
But synth players are sort of in a holding pattern as technology develops. Especially if you want to trigger samples, like pianos, strings and organs.

I have to look into the Triple Play, although I am a bit wary about bringing too much gear into the equation. The Roland stuff always looked like a good compromise to me, with a single dedicated unit being all that was needed (an external synth would require setting up a MIDI pedal board etc.) Is a pity if they have stopped developing it, but it might be correct: I see the modules are the same as ten years ago. Boss seems to have picked up the ball, though, as I see they have developed quite a few smaller units that might be worth a look. In addition, their SY-300 seems like a really interesting unit. If they can get the technology to work well enough I would think that guitar synths requiring no special pickups is the future. For the time being it seems a bit limited, though, but I would really like to tinker with one at some point.
 
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I use guitar synths all the time but no longer use the Roland stuff.
I use the MIDI Guitar plugin from Jam Origin.
 
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I have a Midi capable Godin FS if anyone is interested.

 
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Any of Holdsworth's SynthAxe albums (Atavachron, Sand, Secrets) are essential listening, and show what a great compositional style and excellent technique can do with a synth controller. Currently, I have been into severe processing of the actual guitar signal with lots of delays, reverbs and pitch shifts, and then looping them more than my guitar synth. I am put off by the sheer amount of gear I need to set up to get the sounds I want (and my setup is pretty compact, relatively speaking).
 
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I'm a classic guitar tone lover these days, so anything that processes the crap out of my guitar signal doesn't interest me. But I used to lust after guitar synths endlessly, because I wanted to sound like violins, keyboards, etc. In a live band with more than one guitar player, that could come in very handy.

It was good to see the mention of Holdsworth's SynthAxe stuff. Honestly, I much preferred his pre-synth era stuff. But it was amazing to hear what he could do with the SynthAxe. The guy was/is from another planet technically. He's one of the reasons that I laugh when some people mention rock guitarists being "the best" guitar players. Jazz, classical, and flamenco icons like that are worlds apart from your average rock star guitar player. Not even close.
 
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Been re/listening to the Holdsworth SynthAxe albums again. One wonders how much of the material that would have been recognised as being played on a guitar if the album cover didn't say Holdsworth, but there is a lot of excellent stuff on those indeed.
 
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I wrote and recorded this song using only MIDI guitar for the instrumentation (including the lead guitar parts) via Jam Origin's MIDI Guitar 2 plugin. Just like using one of EHX's 9 series pedals, I would strongly recommend using a compression pedal to even out the response of your picking. The drums were soft synths using Arturia Spark 2, played on guitar. Some of the synths are soft synths from Arturia and some are feeding MIDI out from my interface to outboard hardware synths.

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