guitar wont stay in tune

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I have a les paul that I cant keep in tune. Any tips on how to help? I thought maybe it was just new strings getting settled in, but i have about 8-10 hours on them now.. It just goes a lil out of tune, sharp or flat, each time I play. The guitar has Grover locking keys, tone pros bridge. I like to bend, but Im not real heavy handed. Im just really miffed as to why this is going out so much since I have the locking stuff

Suggestions or ideas? Thanks!
 
Re: guitar wont stay in tune

It could be that the ball-end of the string is coming unwound in the stop-tail. I had some D'Addario high E strings do this--apparently they had a bad batch. Some people actually put a drop of solder on the end wrap, but that seems a little extreme to me.

Make sure that your truss rod adjusting has positive pressure on it. You don't want it floppy and loose. And you might want to rethink using that technique of applying pressure to the back of the neck for vibrato/de-tuning. Looks cool, but can wreak havoc on the neck joint.

You might try using the TP bridge UNLOCKED, just for kicks and giggles. I have one on my '59 Historic, the ABR-1 version--not real sure I'm a fan of it yet. Even locked, the bridge can be unstable. Are your height adjusting wheels snug against the bottom of the bridge? Are your bridge posts long enough for the bridge to sit properly? Are the bridge posts loose in the body?

The ABR-1 bridges can collapse and flatten out. (The Nashville Tune-O-Matic is more stable.) If you have the stop tail all the way down, you may be exerting too much pressure on the bridge. Raising the tailpiece will give you less string tension, and lessen the pressure on the bridge.

Next string change, check the mounting nuts of the tuners, but DO NOT OVER-TIGHTEN!!! You want them snug so they are not moving around, but too tight and you can crack the headstock.

Try using some of the Big Bend's Nut Sauce (or similar lube) in the groove of the bridge saddles. I'm pretty sure that this will fix the problem, if nothing else works.

Finally, you can use the conventional technique of winding the string on the post so that the string winding locks the string to the post--and THEN lock it down.

That's all I got, good luck!

Bill
 
Re: guitar wont stay in tune

TOo much string around the tuners? I just have enough string on my locking tuners to hook around them, not much more.
 
Re: guitar wont stay in tune

make sure the string slots in the nut are wide enough that they aren't binding the strings. And smooth and polish the slots and use some lubricant.
 
Re: guitar wont stay in tune

Finally, you can use the conventional technique of winding the string on the post so that the string winding locks the string to the post--and THEN lock it down.

This could actually help; I've had strings slip when the locking tuners weren't holding the end of the string. If you have a couple turns on the post it can't slip as easily.

One other thing to check is that the tuner tension is set high enough. You can adjust the tension of many tuners, usually by tightening/loosening the screw in the tuner knob. This sets the amount of holding force the tuner has against string tension. You want this solid enough to hold firm, but not so tight that you can't tune easily and smoothly.

Good luck.
 
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Ill check into these.. The guitar is supposed to be Plekked, so the nut slot and all is supposed to be spot on, but Im sure that isnt always the case..
 
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Tune the guitar then push the strings down at the guitar head behind the nut, if they go out of tune lubricate the nut in the string holes then push the strings down again if they dont go out of tune that was your problem.
 
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Gibson is notorious for poorly cut nuts. I had tuning problems with my JR when I got it too. I was all set to order new tuners until someone suggested I lubricate the nut. I just used some pencil lead (graphite) and BOOM, tuning issues gone. I now use Big Bends Nut Sauce because it's cleaner than pencil lead, but still works great. Tuning is solid ever since.

Seriously, before you do anything else, try lubricating the nut.
 
Re: guitar wont stay in tune

Is it the blue one? I'll be coming your way on my way to Daytona in about 2 weeks....I'll pick it up on my way home and work on it for you! I'll get it back you next time I visit FLA!
 
Re: guitar wont stay in tune

Is it the blue one? I'll be coming your way on my way to Daytona in about 2 weeks....I'll pick it up on my way home and work on it for you! I'll get it back you next time I visit FLA!

yeah, its the blue one.

Ill try lubing the nut. I didnt really suspect that at first as the thing is plekked and has locking keys. But I guess they prolly rush thru it all..
 
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Lets say that the plek wasnt perfect and the nut slots are too tight. would it be beneficial to just run a pencil lead thru em a few times??
 
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Lets say that the plek wasnt perfect and the nut slots are too tight. would it be beneficial to just run a pencil lead thru em a few times??

It'll work temporarily, until the friction from tuning and bending rubs away the layer of graphite you've applied. Better to get the slots looked at.
 
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Er, if the Tone Pros bridge was brand new, its saddles probably came unslotted. Break out da files. Eliminate side to side movement of the strings across the saddles.
 
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I would also check the bridge height just to make sure that it's properly adjusted . Sometimes that will have a lot to do with keeping it in tune as well.
 
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Make sure the nut is good (strings free to slide), and that you have correctly installed the strings using the locking tuners. The lcok knobs may not be tight enough, and/or you may have wrapped too many times. With locking tuners, I usually wrap about half a turn. Also make sure that your bridge is not rocking and that the strings are firmly planted in the saddles.
 
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Re: guitar wont stay in tune

It's probably the nut, sometimes is not a 'cut' problem, sometimes is an 'unclean' problem, the same thing that gets in to the strings from you hands gets into the nut slots and after sometime the slots become worst than bad cut
 
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